Barbados Joe Walcott v Thomas Hearns @147

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    So - can the demon find a way past the hitman?
     
  2. Sweet Pea

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    Nope, on a P4P, era by era basis, he rates way higher, what he was doing for his time was incredible. But in head to head terms, Hearns likely blasts him right out of there.

    Matchups for his time period, such as against Fitz, Ketchell, etc would make good matches.
     
  3. janitor

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    This is one I would pay to see.

    Both fighters are about the same weight but there is a foot diference in height.

    In my opinion they are the two hardest punching welterweights of all time. They both fought on even terms with the best light heavyweights of their era.

    The hitman has a big advantage in reach and height while the deamon has the edge in strength and durability.

    I will say Walcott but no money is going down.
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    This is how dangerous Walcott was as a puncher
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    For the record, Hearns by KO?

    Also, i know you think that Sugar could compete with modern WW/MW's, but not Barbados, so i'll ask you - where is the cut off point? What year to fighters begin to be competitive with "modern"fighters?
     
  6. McGrain

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    What if Hearns turned in a pure boxing performance?

    I agree that Hearns ribs make an appealing target, but can he really get in by Tommy?

    EDIT: That Choynski article is gold Janitor, thank you.
     
  7. janitor

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    Tommy, very competitive UD. He would be very sore indeed afterwards, though.


    Ps: Nice article janitor. Enjoyed the read. :good
     
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  10. Sweet Pea

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    I think it started becoming obvious around the 30's and 40's, and based on footage of guys like Robinson, Armstrong, Ross, Gavilan, etc there is no way you could consider them primitive. Guys like Fitz, Ketchell, etc on the other hand are different stories.

    I think there were some pioneers ahead of their time(someone like Benny Leonard and of course Harry Greb based on his style) but overall, around the Ross, Armstrong days.

    Langford I am not as sure about, though his power and strength could surely mean hell for fighters his size(under old school rules anyway). Walcott is like a smaller Langford.
     
  11. janitor

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  12. janitor

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    One day you might be adventerous and say:

    Modern fighter KO2
     
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  13. McGrain

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    So what is it that makes Fitz primitive in your eyes?

    Let's concentrate upon what would make him vulnerable when fighting modern fighters.
     
  14. Sweet Pea

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    Mostly, the fact that they had their hands below their waists, and threw their punches terribly incorrectly, from the hip, etc. That is not how you're supposed to box, at least not by today's proven standards. If we're talking old grappling styles allowed, then things could be different involving certain fighters, but as it is, I don't see a Fitzsimmons coming into today's game and not getting blasted out by any decent modern fighter(and this goes back to guys like Robinson and co that he'd lose to as well).
     
  15. janitor

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    Nobody under 175 lbs seems to have wanted to take a step forward against Walcott.

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