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The gloves are different Pea. The gloves you are talking about are packed and shaped expertly in order that the knuckles be protected to the maximum. This is not the case with the gloves that Fitz boxed in.

I'm going to up and guess that these fights don't go 40 rounds? Most old school boxing fights didn't either of couse, but many were a fight to the finish.

I don't agree with you that holding the hands high improves offence significantly for every single fighter, and at all for some. I suggest that the really quick fighters often hold their hands low specifically because it improves their offence - the opposite of what you are suggesting.

Examples include Haye, Lewis and Jones. These men do better offensively with low hands than they would with high hands. The suffer DEFENSIVELY, and this is why the practive is frowned upon.

The difference? The modern fighter basically has a shock absorbing cushion beside his face. Comparitavley speaking I mean.

I am watching video of Fitz and Lang now. Neithe holds his hands as low as you are describing. Interesingly, depending upon the action, when the distance is closed the men often raise their hands into a much more "modern" looking pose (Fitz currently has his left extended above Jones height and his right slightly higher).

Perhaps with longer fights it was so much more tiring for fighters to keep "proper" guards all the way through the fight. In fact scratch the perhaps. Corbett used this fact very specifically when he took on Sullivan, leaping in on the older man whenever he tried to rest by temporarily lowering his hands.

This had never occured to me before, what do you think?

We disagree.

Punches from the hip are far harder to block, more difficult to counter, have a bigger wind up and have a wider arc of impact. They are BETTER technically but poorer in literal terms. You're more likely to get your head taken off basically! Need to be fast, like Roy.

 

What is it about Robinson's defence that is defective? Do you consider it superior to Roy Jones' defence? From a technical standpoint of course, not taking into account Roy's speed.

Not that I disagree that Cotto would score punches. You don't need a defective defence to get clipped by Miguel Cotto.

 

You have hit the nail on the head. He was also very adaptable in terms of offence. See his employment of a round the corner body attack against LaMotta to keep Jake on the move even when he may have had a chance to rest his legs.

 

His footwork in LaMotta VI is the single most impressive example of the art in exsistante on film.

Say LaMotta was as easy to hit as you say. Robinson still had to backpedal and re-cut for all those rounds before taking it away from Jake. Astonishing.

That is also the best example of composite punching on film in my view.

 

I think that Robinson could get round the corner on Monzon and decision him.

Talk to me abot Monzon's speed. How fast do you think he is. Footspeed, and agility rather than handspeed.

 

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I agree. Lucky he had that iron chin! Watch carefully though. I've never seen Roy caught clean. Like your man Calzaghe he always gets a tilt, a tiny roll away from the incoming. His reactions are fine in my view

He is to square on occasion, but only when punching. Lore tells us that SRR is better at WW - but i'm not sure about this. I think he may have been technically better at WW, but when he stepped up, it seems to be that Robinson began to prioritise punching and punching power. He sometimes got square on though, as you say.

I totally disagree concerning anticipation/timing. Why the hell would "anticipation" increase across generations?! That is insane Sugar excells here. Look again.

Are you joking? KO1? I don't think Leonard would get hit as much as Robinson. But I don't think Leonard would stop Cotto either.

 

I agree. I think his speed is hugely underated. You're going to freak out here, but occasionally Monzon would bull in really, really quickly and then out again (if neccesary). Kind of reminded me of Liston. That quickness which terrifies in the light of his physicality.

Anyway.

Robinson will land more than Monzon. Monzon had the harder single shot but Robinson sits down on all of his punches - A COUPLE OF ROUNDS? That is crazy talk. Robinson is iron-chinned and has great, great durability.

Monzon's ring generalship is unquestinably excellent. So is Robinson's. My guess? Not a lot in it.

 

Pregneant women sometimes eat it for some reason. Creepy to see.