Barney Ross and Oscar De La Hoya - Stylistic Similarities ?

Good call. I just watched Ross - Canzoneri the other day and I can see your point. I always thought Oscar was a tad robotic, so I'd say Ross is more fluid with the style.

 

That´s an interesting subject, I want to talk more about it later....because I really didn't watch enough of Ross yet.......BUT, have stylistic similarities between Joey Archer and DLH too....

 

yea...definitly some similarty..but then i always thought willard and vitali looked alike most others disagree

 

Ross had a better chin imo.

Also Ross had the habit to go to war sometimes. He was a good infighter and outfighter.

 

There are definitely stylistic similarities imo. Good calls on the s.mall details as well sugarsean, like Ross is a master in terms of ring craft.

I'm really busy today so I can't contribute as much as I'd like, good calls all round though mate

 

yeah a very good shout and one that i am a bit embarrassed about, i really like watching ross from the little i have seen of him , a ATG jab and his ring craft was top drawer and proved he can fight in the trenches when needed too , but i have ways thought de la hoya was overrated somewhat over hyped by the modern media along with for me getting the fights when he was on the up and his opponents were either on the down slope or really fighting above their best weight , so perhaps its me that is underrating de la hoya

 

Ross fights better from the backfoot IMO and his jab is much better than Oscar´s. There are some similarities but IMO they are result from textbook boxing. Ross, alongside with Johnson, is the epitome of the textbook, so everyone who fights very much textbook, like Oscar, will resemble them somewhat.

 

De La Hoya had fight-changing power while Ross was always forced to outsmart and outpoint his opponents for 10 or 15 rounds. He went into the fights knowing they would most likely last the distance and that he needed to outbox his opponent in each round to capture a decision. A man who was extremely difficult to outbox, and was never knocked out, is a hard man to beat and Ross did not get beaten but 4 times in his career, and perhaps only once in his true prime (a loss he avenged).

De La Hoya was well-taught, but lacked the creativity of Ross, sometimes pulling out the victory with his power and befuddled at times by clever boxers. Both did use mainly their left hands to dominate opponents.

 

Exactly, I see the power/reliance on athleticism gap for DLH being a lot bigger of a difference between the two. Ross's textbook was way more complete than DLH's ever was. If DLH had more tricks in the bag, had been trained southpaw, or at least squared up less I wonder what kind of phenom he would have been.

 

Well Oscar isn't a top echelon operator imo. He is a technician, and to put him in that context he's not sitting at the big table imo. He's not sitting at the kiddy table though, definitelty a great fighter, and he achieved a lot as well. Ross is slightly greater for me, because he has a greater resume, but that's only the way i saw it. I didn't think Oscar beat Quartey, or Whitaker, but I did think he beat Trinidad, which is a great win. I didn't credit him with the Sturm win either, which isn't a bad loss by any means, because that was not his best weight, but what I mean is I'm not giving him that win. Others might, and i won't object, but I personally don't credit guys with wins I didn't think they got. Ross on the other hand, has losses to lesser competition than Oscar does, but not many, and they are hevily outweighed with wins over the some of the best practitioners of the era and some of them are actual atg's. It is close actually.

For some reason though I've always viewed Ross as someone who could definitely compete with the greatest fighters of all time, whereas Oscar I have always went on records as saying would lose to them. But maybe I need to review that, I did give him the win over Trinidad after all. People will bring up Tito's technical deficiencies and say he wasn't atg, but the good outweighs the bad imo and I definitely think he is an atg.