Barrera Analyzes Morales Vs. Marquez; Gives His Pick...!!!

Basically yes. Nobody is saying Marquez is completely and totally inept at taking the lead. Hes just not nearly as good at compared to his countering. When you force Marquez to take the lead hes not as effective.

Marquez countering is a better Marquez. That's obvious.

Morales is a great technician from the lead or countering. Marquez is not. That's why Morales was the only fighter to defeat Pacquiao in his prime. Because he largely sat back an countered Pac. Yet at times he would also bring the fight to Pac and seal the round. It was that extra bit of effective aggression that sealed him those 7 rounds.

Marquez is better at his specialty (countering) than anything Morales can do. But Morales can fight disciplined when he wants to and take away opportunity to counter.

 

Insult people when you've got no comeback

 

You've been given a response by Rough, but since every time someone calls your bull**** out and schools you, you ghost, I thought it better to just laugh at your ******edness. It's more fun.

Respond to Roughdiamond properly if you really want a debate, if you're willing to catch, I'll play ball.

 

The Marquez that fought Pacquiao at the higher weights had enough PEDs in his system to power an entire Dominican baseball team. And Roidquez took a serious beating (the most punishment suffered by either men in 4 fights) before landing that roided nuke of a right hand.

 

Marquez doesn't box like Raheem, but that pretty much was a shutout. Raheem wasn't a big lightweight, he was fighting at feather the year before. None of that changes the fact that Marquez's defense and footwork are much better than Morales and is why he took far less punishment in his career

Marquez-John isn't a good example. It was a technical battle where both men looked to punish any mistake the other made. Marquez was constantly able to get his right hand off and could easily be an 9-3 decision to Marquez, it was certainly a robbery. Maybe you only appreciate brawlers and can't appreciate technical boxing. If you wanted to criticise Marquez you'd be better off picking the Norwood fight and even then despite having issues with Norwood he probably deserved the decision. But it's almost like you've not seen the fight and have looked at boxrec and seen a loss

BTW Arum kept Morales away from all the counter boxers and movers throughout his career. They avoided Marquez, Gainer and Norwood and cherry picked the weakest titlist in Espadas. Despite this Espadas looked to have outboxed Morales but Morales gets a gift. Then he moves to 135 only after Corrales, Freitas and Casamayor leave the divison when those fights were on the table.

 

I've responded to Diamond who I disagree with. No ones schooled me on here because most of you are fantasists that don't know much about boxing.

 

Yes. Which is why your logic is ridiculous.

Neither was Márquez.

Yes Márquez' had such sublime defence he went to war with the Juan Diaz's and Michael Katsidis' of the world. You think Morales can't out do these people? He's better in every way.

Neither is Morales/Raheem

Get off your high horse you tosser.

Yeah - to be fair, at least he didn't watch a fight between two actors and assume that was them, then base his analysis from that...

I'VE schooled you 3 or 4 times. Rough has IN THIS thread, and you were laughed out of the Jeffries/15 round thread. You've been laughed out of the Dempsey/power thread. Prove me wrong? Go and name the one 100 who hit harder, go and defend watching a re-enactment. Please! It'll be a good laugh.

Don't act all high and mighty. It's blatant that almost every poster here knows a damn-sight more than you do. It's actually quite funny.

What's fantasist about picking Morales over Márquez? Picking the more well rounded fighter, who has superior physicality and had better results against common opponents in and around their primes isn't a far cry from the norm. In fact, had they fought in the late 90s, Morales would've been favourite.

Look at Márquez' style at FW, classy feet, subtle defensive work, and lots of positioning and countering. Morales, the quicker and longer fighter, with blistering hands, excellent balance and a titanium chin. He also has monster KO power, whereas Márquez has respectable power. Márquez liked it when people came at him blindly, he could pick them apart and keep them turning off angle. Morales stalks, applying intelligent pressure and picking people off with fierce combinations after finding his range. He'd use his lead and open Márquez up, and he'd get off first every time. Especially at 126 (that's featherweight FYI), at a higher pace vs a fighter you're slower than, you're going to end up losing rounds (if you'd have boxed you'd know this). Sure Juanma could time him better, and I'm sure he would, but Morales is a smart boxer too, he'd make adjustments to Márquez's adjustments. It'd be a glorious fight to watch, and it's a shame it didn't come off, but it's one I've got Morales winning clearly, something like 7-5/8-4. Either way, Márquez certainly isn't "schooling" Morales.

You imply that you know about boxing? Prove it. Analyse this one. Why does Márquez win? Don't just point to guys who either lost to or had trouble with, say WHY Márquez wins. I bet you can't...

 

Please focus on the topic at hand and refrain from personal attacks. We can agree the triumphant boxer would land more clean work than his opponents work.

How would Morales 'get off first' when Marquez is way faster (you seriously think Morales is fast????), has better use of range, better timing, better footwork and better defense? The only thing Morales has in my view is arm length and height, which are advantages. But Gainer had more arm length and height and was more elusive, but Marquez walked him into range and picked him apart. Barrera picked Morales apart by moving into range too.

Why couldn't Morales get off first against Espadas and Barrera?

Also the idea of Morales being a devastating puncher, where is this coming from? Firstly it doesn't really matter, given Marquez has never been stopped. And Morales is a decent puncher but devastating, really? Hamed was a devastating puncher, took out Angeles in 2, he went the distance with Morales. Mayweather a decent puncher at 130, took Chavez out in 9, he went the distance with Morales.

Also Morales a smart boxer? Then why did Marquez beat Pac 4 times and Morales went 2-1 against him?

Yes Marquez would school Morales, different levels of boxing intelligence.

 

Agree with you on Raheem. Raheem was an athletic fighter fast on his feet that against Morales calculated to doing just enough offensively each round to bank them vs Morales.
Marquez doesn't run from opponents like that, he's more a stay in the pocket type who welcomes aggression and uses it against you.

…….but when that aggression doesn't come as what happened against John, Marquez is still very capable to fight coming forward.

This is my assessment of that John fight......certain fighters are better than others at cutting the ring off against a fighterer determined to back away, a pressure fighter like Julio Cesar Chavez for example. That however does not mean that a fighter who's bread and butter isn't putting that type of pressure can still not beat a fighter who's moving on him.
Marquez was pressing the fight against John in the knowing that he was in John's backyard and he was going to have to open himself up more than usual or they would outright just steal the fight from him. John at this point knew that and basically fought a survival fight knowing that all he had to do is not get beat up and the decision would be his no matter what.

MAB fought a similar fight vs Marquez with one exeption, MAB didn't have the benefit of being in his home country like John did so he knew that that although fighting in a jab and move style, he still had to do more than what John did which was flicking a jab that most of the time wasn't even finding the target.
MAB knew he had to put some effective offense forward, and that's all that was needed for Marquez (going forward) to find the creeces and shoot his shots over MAB's jabs and punches.

John likely would have gotten knocked out by Marquez had that fight taken place in neutral ground as he would have known he wasn't going to win rounds fighting in survival mode he would have had to have opened up some and that would have opened the window for Marquez to have landed harder shots with more frequency.

Good for you roughdiamond that you at least think Marquez outpointed John as there are a lot of people that are of the mindset that because John took away Marquez opportunities to counter and land hard beautiful shots the way he would against an aggressor, that automatically forfeits the fight to John regardless of if John himself did enough or more than Marquez to merit the decision.

 

On the who's faster debate, thankyou!!! I was shaking my head in disbelief on Tinman's and GC's contention that Morales is faster than Marquez. As I noted earlier, that assessment doesn't hold water its like saying Duran was faster than Leonard.

They certainly can argue other merits of Morales to beat Marquez, but speed is not one of them.

 

Exellent post, though I wouldn't go as far to state Morales was avoiding a certain crop of fighters, though I do think Bob Arum knew Morales' limitations and wasn't going to feed him to the likes of big punchers at 130 lbs like Corrales and Freitas, nor was he eager to match him with Casamayor who was a fantastic boxer with major tricks up his sleeve.
Most promoters pick the weakest links unless its for a a major money fight.

The Marquez fight I'm unwilling to forgive Morales for in that they were from the same stable, Bob Arum.
…….and Marquez was Mexican, which other Mexican's wanted to see. Marquez was voicing wanting to fight both Barrera and Morales but nothing was being said by either MAB or Morales. Those guys just ignored Marquez.

 

Marquez is the greater fighter if the three. Morales comes in at a close second. And Barrera is a clear third.

Anyone who rates Barrera over Marquez has a very flawed perspective on these guys careers.

 

LMAO!!!

 

Morales is nowhere near as good countering than Marquez. He can counter well against fighter at or below his hand speed level a prime example is the MAB fights. Morales boxed well from a distance, but when MAB would get aggressive and advance the fight toward Morales, Morales' counters were being smothered as the distance between the two of them was closing.
You see, up a little closer past the mid-distance point, Morales longer arms weren't as effective. It is there where MAB's shorter and faster arms would throw in combination. That type of distance is where Marquez masters beyond the point of what even MAB is capable of.

MAB is basically a one handed fighter when you compare him to Marquez. Oh, MAB throws the right when firing in combination but his right unlike Marquez' doesn't carry the type of snap or power in it that Marquez's does.
Marquez' power in his punches are distributed equally where that is not the case with MAB's punches. MAB is basically a jab and hook fighter which logically would make it easier on a top level fighter to decipher whats incoming.
Against Marquez, Morales has both hands to worry about.