barrera morales 1, why controversy ?

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  1. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    As a boxing fan who has seen many fights, old & new, I always wondered why so many people say barrera was robbed in the 1st fight with morales, sure it was a 50-50 fight, it could have gone either way but people forget the meaning of the word robbery, it means when 1 fighter definetly won & the other guy got it, I never saw that in this fight (1 of the best fights ive ever seen in my 30 yrs watching this sport)

    No arguements from me if you give this 1 to barrera but I remember thinking morales had done enough going into rd 12, I dont think it was a real knockdown but marco certainly won the rd on my card, maybe people are fooled by that, thinking that mab should defo have won with that kd.

    Not sure of my exact card but I had morales around a 7-5 winner in rds.

    For the record, I also gave morales the 2nd fight by a clearer margin & barrera the 3rd in a much closer fight, think morales was on the way out by then anyway to be honest as he`s only won 1 since.

    Never understood why most american (so called) experts dont take to morales, very exciting young man in the ring.
    Barrera always seemed to get their respect.

    Never quite understood that, but anyway, what a fkn fight (the 1st 1)

    Botswana (that means goodbye for the moment)
     
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  2. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How did you score fight II?
     
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  3. Stewbear

    Stewbear Active Member Full Member

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    Because the wrong guy got the decision.
    Same with the second fight.
     
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  4. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I thought the wrong guy got the decision in fights one and two also, but I also agree with the author. These decisions weren't of the Escalera-Everett, Gomez-Lockridge variety. They were both hard, evenly fought contests where both fighters definitely had their moments, and both were close, regardless of whom you had winning. Such fights can't be called "robberies."
     
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  5. LeedsLad

    LeedsLad Active Member Full Member

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    I dont see the problem, both were close, both probably went too the wrong guy. If it was just one fight i could understand, but out of those two fights 1-1 was a fair score and the third fight was more clear IMO.
     
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  6. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Third fight was more clear win for Morales.
     
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  7. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    I never 100% understood all three. The rivalry was so big that they wanted a clear winner, especially after three. I feel the first two were close fights that could be scored either way. The third I felt was a draw or a point to MAB. Each fight was a point either way or a draw, except the third fight which in no way could Morales have won.
     
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  8. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The 3rd fight could be easily scored for Morales based on 4 standard criteria of scoring the fights.
     
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  9. LeedsLad

    LeedsLad Active Member Full Member

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    Barrera won the third fight, it was the clearest of the three by some distance.
     
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  10. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    I think I had morales winning 8 rds & barrera 4.

    This was actually the only fight of the 3 that i might use that infamous word, robbery.

    I felt very sorry for morales after this because barrera was treated like the winner after their 1st bout with morales superb effort being given very little credit, also marco was given the hamed fight (a fight that the winner was meant to get & a fight morales wanted very badly)

    Both guys were as prepared as could be for this fight & marco was in great form going in were as erik`s form was average by his standards, but imo he proved to the world (& to me) that he was the better boxer all along.

    What a let off for naseem eh ?

    I always felt erik would have sliced naz up badly & he deseved the verdict in the 2nd mab fight to partially make up for not getting the naz fight & also the fact that... eh... he beat barrera fair & square....
    IMO erik`s most disciplined performance in a big fight.
     
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  11. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Had Larry O'Connell scored the 9th round (I think) the way it should be, and as the two other judges scored it - for Morales, instead of a draw, the 3rd fight would have been a majority draw. But that idiot forgot to put his glasses on to see Morales clearly outpunching and outfighting Barrera in that round. Compubox' stats for that round are the most outrageous lie there can possibly be, as if Barrera's relative counted the punches for him, adding him some 20-25 non-existing punches (while they counted Morales' punches correctly in this round).
     
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  12. LeedsLad

    LeedsLad Active Member Full Member

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    Yeh, i agree. I think i had it 115-114 Barrera in the first, 115-113 for Morales in the second and 116-113 for Barrera in the third. Barrera clearly beat him.
     
    LeedsLad, Sep 4, 2007
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  13. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    Please put the winner's name first. Example: Morales-Barrera 1. Thank you...
     
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  14. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Yup.
     
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  15. Stewbear

    Stewbear Active Member Full Member

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    In the first two fights the result should have been switched, but Barrera won the last one, even though I much prefer Morales.
    Tbh have not watched the trilogy in ages, but this is just how I remember it.
     
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