Barrera, Morales, Marquez, Pacquaio. The best fighter?

Could be... but i don't really know... i already stated on that same post why he only got a draw.

 

From my understanding, the 3 knockdown rule is not enforced in world title fights!

.....and I agree, and not that I particularly like Joe Cortez, but some referees panic at the sight of seeing a figher fall three times in a round and stop the fight even with the 3 knockdown rule not in effect.
Luckily Cortez saw that JMM was coherent and his legs were steady under him , or we all would have been deprived of witnessing a remarkable comeback by JMM, getting up from 3 knockdowns and a broken nose, to then go on to school a destroyer like Manny Pacquiao!


.....and goodness sake, that must be a first for a fighter to take the gloves off after a fight and reveal a swollen hand!:rofl

.....and blisters on the feet of an athlete???atsch My god, thats not fair, I wonder why Pacquiao did'nt reveal the bottom of his feet so the whole world could know the unheard of situation he was in.....by God, an athlete with blisters on his feet!:rofl :rofl :rofl


I'm sorry, but some of you Pac fans set yourself up to be ridiculed!:nut

 

Unfortunately any fight that is even semi-competitive will have both sides declaring victory.
Thats just the way it goes.....a perfect example was the JMM-MAB fight.....the judges and the media had JMM winning rather clearly, but there are a fair share of MAB fans and or JMM haters in this and every boxing forum that will swear MAB beat JMM! atsch

.....but yeah, hopefully there will be a clear winner and no controversy!

 

If I'm not mistaken, there was a rule change since then for World title fights not to be fought under the three knockdown rule......in any case, you're right, there was not a three knockdown rule for JMM-PAC!

 

I'm about to split, I'll get back to you on that later........

......I will say that I saw alot of early JMM in the 90's, when both he and MAB were fighting at the Forum in Inglewood under the banner of Forum boxing. I liked both Marquez and MAB back then and I still do.....but in seeing a young JMM, I knew I was witnessing something special.......unfortunately I did'nt record fights involving up and comers back then. I could kick myself now......
Between MAB and JMM, I had JMM pegged as the better fighter then and I still do now......unfortunately in the business of boxing, who is managing you goes along way in getting you the necessary fights that would establish your fame and legacy.
It looks like its not too late for JMM as he still looks to be pretty solid.

I've got quite a bit of JMM starting from his title effort vs Freddie Norwood, but its all on VHS.

Got to go, I'll get back to you on my top 5!

 

NEXT TIME, JMM will run out of LUCK!
For the record, PAC NEVER WON BASED ON LUCK nor did he got a DRAW on anybody BASED ON LUCK!!!

Like I said the first fight will be an ENDLESS DISCUSSION. The second fight will hopefully END ALL THE SPECULATIONS :bbb :bbb :bbb ESPECIALLY if somebody wins by a KO :bbb :bbb :bbb :hi:

 

No **** right??? Those were excuses man. Every fighter in the history of boxing has swollen fists after a 12th round fight. Had his hand was really ****ed up he would have gone to his right hand more.

 

I'd say there was a reason why JMM and NAcho took a lot of time before they pursued this rematch: PAc would be their biggest fight in JMM's career, and a potential career-ending fight if he gets beaten, so they make sure he would get atleast a six-figure payment for this one. Why did they not ask for more against MAB? BEcasue they are confident they can beat MAB.

So, stop this schooling myth. They knew an immediate rematch could abruptly have ended a career of one of the most technically gifted MExican boxers whose biggest fight at that time was a draw against an upstart named PAcquiao.

 

We'll both have our say when this rematch is over and done with my friend......
.....but as far as why JMM did'nt ask for more vs MAB????
Thats an easy one to answer.....JMM, Nacho and Co. were allowed to sit down at the negotiating table with the top dogs of GBP, and were given an outline on their plans for JMM......
......to make a long story short, GBP has from day one treated Marquez and his team with dignity, not at all like the way Arum treated them which was often times a take it or leave it attitude.

When it comes to business deals, most often than not, how one wants things to turn out in many circumstances does'nt materialize. More often than not their are forks on the road.
.....for instance, the winner of JMM-MAB within the GBP stable was promised the next opportunity for a big fight with Pac.....in this instance the fork on the road was MAB, who the second after the JMM-MAB decision was announced was already a discontent, spoiled, crybaby little brat, threatening to leave GBP and self negotiating with Bob Arum to get himself a fight with Pac.
It had already been agreed upon GBP would negotiate the winner of JMM-MAB to fight Pac.
....but MAB backstabbed the whole agreement, and from what I hear, Oscar Delahoya was'nt happy with MAB on that matter.

In any regards, this scenario is a perfect example that one does'nt always get what one wants.....the MAB fight for PAC was going to happen first whether GBP wanted it or not.
The MAB fight was the easier fight for Pac, and there was nothing JMM, GBP, or anybody could have done to prevent that.

Its happened like that all through JMM's career......and as I've said, this coming Pac fight for JMM will be his career defining fight......
All this built up frustration for JMM.....I think that Pac will be at the recieving end of JMM's built up fury.
When I think about it, I cant believe there is a fighter out there today with the type of hunger thats in JMM's stomach.
The man has been disrespected, and it will be Pac who will end up paying!

You've got your point of view, and I've got mine. I'll certainly look foward to a chat with you once this fight has been completed!:yep


Win or lose....God willing, I will be here to offer my analysis and opinions!
I'm looking at light and glory for JMM at the end of the tunnel!!!:bbb

 

Fair enough, divac. We've been here in this discussion for far too long since i joined here, and obviously there are only a few things we can agree about their first fight and the rematch that never happened quickly, one is which JMM would be the toughest fight for Pac right now, and which I believe is also what JMM and his team thinks about Pac.

I'd go for a Pac TKO for their rematch. I don't think he would try to outbox JMM; he would go for the pressure he is known for and power body punches right from the start and and hopes JMM would fade in the later rounds.

This will be a FOTY fight. No one would back down here.:hat

 

:thumbsup :bbb

 

Can't wait to see each other here after the fight.

 

:blabla :blabla :blabla Sorry divac, like i said you are a great writer. :good TOO BAD! writers don't make great boxers. It's the fight itself by the boxer that is seen by writers which makes them popular.

Just look, pac is NOT the CHAMPION but wether you and I like it or not he gets paid more than the existing champion like JMM.

HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT WHY?

YOU CLAIM THE FF BUT DESPITE YOUR CLAIMS WHY IS HE PAID MORE?

1) you believe JMM is technically better than PAC
2) you believe that JMM is more complete boxer than PAC
3) you believe that JMM has better defense
4) you believe that JMM more than ONE Dimensional
5) you believe JMM is a better P4P fighter

My answer is just my OPINION (MAYBE wrong maybe right)

1) PAC is more entertaining to watch than JMM
2) PAC draws more crowd than JMM
3) PAC is more in demand than JMM. Would you recall how many boxers calling out his name CLAIMING THEY ARE THE WORTHY OPPONENT and immediately calling pac ducking him if he is not choosen?
4) PAC has more speed and power
5) PAC is consistently voted #2 best p4p fighter
6) PAC win is more CONVINCING than JMM's
MAB did not question the UD when he lost to PAC. Did he MAB say the same when he lost his last fight with JMM? Mab Even said he felt he won but HE NEVER said that in his fight with PAC. - Bottom line - pac's win is MORE CONVINCING than JMM's wins

This is getting tooooo long buttom line is PAC is popular coz of the OUTCOME of his fights. He is pure "ENTERTAINENT to WATCH". He does what is NEEDED to win and NOBODY DARES call him BACK PEDDLER coz even if he is winning he is aggressive! That is one thing that separates him from the other boxers! :good

One more thing, judges score the every round on how many puches the boxer throws. HOW many is solid and how many is jab. They don't
judge wether
1) one boxer is more technical or not
2) they don't judge if a boxer is one dimesional or not
3) they don't judge wether one boxer is better defense or not
4) they don't judge wether you are more compete boxer or not

BOTTOM LINE, JUDEGES JUST SCORE to their BEST OF THE ABILITY THE POWER PUNCHES and the JABS THAT is able to hit the opponent. I think its that SIMPLE.


So as far as your way of analysis is concerned JMM wins. As far as the JUDGES is concerned PAC wins.

Can't WAIT to see their fight on March' :bbb :bbb :bbb