Barrera, Morales, Marquez, Pacquaio. The best fighter?

Damn ..you are long winded. along with Divac. PAC is the Greater fighter than JMM. Thats it!!

Who the **** cares if JMM drives better than PAC.

 

I think JMM and MAB are the most complete fighters of the 3, Morales is my personal favourite but he lacked the defense of JMM/MAB to be as good as them. Pacquiao makes up for his lesser technical ability by having great physical assets.

 

The thread starter probably thought that JMM would win the poll... the complete opposite happened. :yep

And he also picked JMM to beat PAC this coming march, right? Good Luck!

 

good accurate statement. funny I find the latter two the better fighters though

 

Whereever you take this poll. Whether you take it to Ring Magazine, ESPN, SI, The Boxing writers assoc, the Inter Boxing Hall of Fame Committee. Whether in the U.S., Canada or even Mexico.

You will always come up with the same answer. PAC is the greater fighter. For Gods sake it was Pacquiao who put JMM on the map. Lets just wait March 15th

 

This poll is a travesty. Nuthuggery at it's worst form!

Was the question not framed enough so that Pac doesn't come in first?

 

Yes, however, in the context of boxing MANY fighters have brittle hands, some even breaking their hands, and have won on a consistant basis. For example, Mayweather has won with hurt hands, so has Calzaghe, Jones, and the list goes on and on.

The real problem is that everytime Pacquiao has failed to win, there has been an excuse from his fans. This is like crying wolf, so future excuses will be ignored unless they are significant.

 

Exactly. They also refuse to give the other fighter credit as well. I mean JMM outboxed Manny with or without a bruised fist. If an opponent attempts to make an excuse for losing to pacman they disregard it immediately. Once JMM beats pacman again I dont think we'll have to deal with the fanatics anymore.:deal

 

You're arguing that Pac in the more popular better paid fighter.....I dont think anybody in this thread is questioning that.
I'm certainly not questioning that.

The explosive style in boxing attracts alot of fans, there's no question.....
In JMM's defense, he certainly imo has a pleasing type of style.
He's not a hit and run type of fighter. He stands in the pocket and he disects at center ring throwing hard and well rounded punches.
This is'nt Pernell Whitaker running circles and peppering with arm punches.

Pac was fortunate enough to get first crack at MAB and his popularity skyrocketed from there.
He was fortunate enough to be able to land fights against not necessarily the best, but popular and more established fighters in the fight game.
Something JMM has'nt had the fortune of being able to land.

Bottom line is that popularity, and PPV sales dont make you the best.
Mike Tyson and Oscar Delahoya are prime examples of that.

Even after Evander Holyfield exposed Mike Tyson's limitations as a fighter, Tyson still continued to be a huge PPV draw.....it certainly however did'nt make him the better fighter, as Holyfield had already proven twice that that was'nt so.

DLH today, he's probably still the best draw in boxing.....and it certainly has nothing to do with being the best, as he has'nt beaten a prime time fighter in his career.
Certainly at this stage of his career he is'nt close to being the best, yet he still the best draw.
God only knows the reason, but being popular and a huge draw, certainly does'nt make one the best!


Btw friends, KO's dont make a fighter the best!

George Foreman KO 2 Joe Frazier
Ali life and death 3 times with Joe Frazier

Ali KO 8 George Foreman!


Foreman like Pac was a destroyer, but as we all know, that did'nt make him the best!


Ali proved to be the more rounded fighter, as will JMM prove come this March!
Here's an emoticon for you Pac fans!:deal

Come to think of it, the JMM-Pac fight coming up parralels the the Ali-Foreman Thrilla in Manila as far as the stage the fighters were in........

Ali was thought to be an aging fighter who had seen his better days and that was going to face Foreman who had anhillated Joe Frazier and was viewed as an absolute destroyer.

We saw what skills and know how did to poor Big George!:yep

In parralleling.....

JMM=Ali
Pac=Foreman

 

Again long winded. Brevity is not your strong point. PAC is the better fighter than JMM. Ill bet with you Ill disappear for good if JMM beats PAc but if he loses you disappear for good from ESB.

 

I disagree. Many fighters hurt their hands even when they DON'T have that history. And they have still fought effectively and won. Did it effect their performance? Perhaps. It's a fight, and people are going to get hurt. It's not an excuse that you get hurt in a fight, and couldn't adapt. Not to mention, he still threw that hand, as most fighters do when injured. So while he may not be used to it, it's not a large enough factor considering the precedent set by other fighters. Mayweather fought with a horrible shoulder injury. No one wants to hear about that because it's part of the fight.

And it IS about crying wolf from the view of the forum. It's a vast majority who give the excuses, and even you have left it open that they might be viable excuses. Who's to say he wouldn't have performed better if he hadn't have been injured, or forced to use the wrong gloves, or gotten a blister on his foot? There is no evidence either way that anything in particular would or wouldn't have happened. Too many variable for a what if, unless it is severe, such as breaking the hand, or breaking an ankle, etc. A swollen hand I feel is hardly an unusual injury in a fight and probably happens more often than we know, just most don't complain of it.

It comes down to this. Every fighter gets injured. It's fighting, a sport designed to injure. No one wants hear that every loss or non win was subject to some mitigating factor that altered the outcome. There can ALWAYS be a what if.

And it is disrespectful to the other fighter when those same fans, each individual fight, don't want to hear any excuses when Pacquiao wins. Then excuses are out the window. Yes, Pacquiao fought with one eye in a fight for 7-8 rounds. Cuts are part of boxing. Marquez fought with a busted nose I am sure he didn't expect to happen during their fight. But that is not a viable excuse....it's a fight, and injuries should be expected and adapted to. Yes his broken nose was caused by a punch. And Pacquiao's hand being hurt may very well have been caused by a badly placed punch being blocked....all part of a fight.

 

So I guess you explained it better by just stating that "Pac is the better figher!"
.....and without examples and explanations.....you saying it just makes it so!

......and anybody that knows me around this forum should know that I will be here even in the case that JMM loses to Pac......

JMM certainly is'nt the only subject matter that I post about around here.
I'm a boxing fan, and win or lose, right or wrong.....God willing I'll be around here for a long time talking boxing!:happy

 

That doesn't have anything to do with what he just said. I suspect you know that.

His analogy was not about the styles of the fighters. He was simply illustrating that if you're a power puncher, it certainly doesn't make you the better fighter because your fights end in KO. Often Pacquiao fans will point to his fights ending in KO as making him a better fighter than fighters who win by UD. Punchers are not better than Boxers because they stop fighters....that was his point.

 

Certainly....whether that is relevant or not considering it's a fight is the subject matter I am on. The excuse has to be viable within the context it's used, and I don't think it is.

 

Well I am bored....not hungover. The second the USC football game comes on, I'm outta here. :deal