Barrera, Morales, Marquez, Pacquaio. The best fighter?

Relax. It's only because this forum is filled with Filipino posters. Some knowledgable and some over the top delusional.

You don't honestly believe that he's the best out of the bunch, do you?

 

I think if he beats JMM, a case can be made for him being the best, easily.

 

So all those 77 votes are from Filipinos? You don't honestly believe that, do you? I voted for Morales.

 

1.Morales-Perfect fighter,could fight and box,but preffered fighting
2.Marquez-Bad ass technician that mostly has relied on his boxing skills
3.Barrera-Started off stereotypical Mexican then showed his undeniable skills
4.Pac-little boxing skills pure speed and power came in the spotlight too late to rate higher

Im being as unbiased as I can ,i hate Barrera (more than pac,nah i just playin) but i cant deny his skills,Marquez bros are my favorites but i cant admit jmm to be better than Morales,pac like i said speed and power

 

defo morales

 

You're baffling my friend......all I asked was for you to point out specifically what you did'nt agree with in my post relating to how I parrelled it with JMM-Pac.......you're actually making up something to which to disagree on, as what you just posted has absolutely nothing to which to do with our disagreement regarding how I parralled Ali-Foreman to JMM-Pac.

By the way this little argument is going, the next thing you're going to say is that my parralel is invalid because JMM does'nt dance around the ring like Ali......but again, thats not the issue at hand here, nor was anything in your post!

I'll agree to end it as you said. Just wanted to have the final say, as it looked like to me like there was'nt really anything in my post that you actually disagreed with, but that you may have read more into it than what was actually there.
It happens. I've been guilty of it myself in other debates.
Its cool!

 

Can you elaborate by maybe giving an example, as I'm not sure what you're trying to say?

The decision win by Calzaghe over Lacy I did'nt check on paper.
That I saw with my own two eyes!
For instance, I'm not going to comment on a fight that was scored a shutout in a fighters favor and call it dominance if I did'nt see the fight myself.

 

The only point that I agree with is that there is a definitive winner when there is a KO......well usually there is, but there are circumstances where even when there is a ref stoppage, theres controversy.....(Chavez-Taylor....Raphael Marquez-Iggy).....

.....but even where there is a definitive KO, it does'nt necessarily prove dominance.......there have been many instances when a fighter clearly was winning a fight quite handily, even dominating it, and then all of a sudden got stopped in the last round or two of a fight.
I'm not saying thats happened to Pac, but my point is that even someone who scores KO's does'nt necessarily dominate a fight.

Arturo Gatti and Micky Ward got the crap beat out of them a few times only to come from behind in a late round and score a KO!
I definitely would'nt call that domination.

The bottom line is that dominance is dominance whether its by KO or otherwise!

 

I think we're arguing apples and oranges here......
.....not everyone has concussive enough power to have a high KO percentage.

It is more likely that hard punching fighters like Pac will generate more KO's......
To tell you the truth, personally I like watching fighters that can do them both.....show domination through boxing skill, and have the passion to seek a KO when its clearly viable.

It seems like you hold it against a fighter for not having concussive power.
For example, I loved watching the great Alexis Arguello. I marveled at his concussive type power with both hands.....but my admiration of Arguello stemmed from the fact that he could outbox you even when he could'nt knock you out.

To show technical superiority and then shoot for a KO, is to see the best of both worlds.

I believe you're reading me wrong.....although I admired and respected the technical boxing abilities of fighters like Pernell Whitaker, Chris Byrd, and today a fighter like Cory Spinks and Winky Wright......they are'nt particularly my type of tea in that they're too reliant on the defensive part of the sport that they leave there offensive effort lacking.

The types of fighters I admire and like to watch perform are fighters like
Alexis Arguello, Roberto Duran, Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns, Orlando Canizalez, JC Chavez, Evander Holyfield, Ricardo Lopez, Erik Morales, the Marquez bros.......etc........
The best of both worlds.....fighters who dont sacrifice there offense for defense, or there defense for offense......
.....and almost a must to get my respect and admiration is for the fighters to put effort in there punching.

A high workrate for me does'nt catch my fancy if its not being done with real punching effort.....meaning throwing shots that are meant to be forceful.
All the fighters I mentioned could get it done either way, and dominate either way....by force or by technicality!
To me, that is what makes a complete fighter!:bbb

 

ali=jmm
foreman=pac

foreman's lost to ali was on the LATER rounds when Foreman was dead tired and ali did his thing. He hit Foreman combinations on punches and Foreman was hit SOLIDLY and was DEAD tired to get up.

If you are saying Pac is FOREMAN, CAN YOU PLS TELL ME THE FIGHT THAT PAC LOST due to LACK of STAMINA? Pls pls pls tell me the fight that PAC lost DUE TO lack of GAS

JMM = ALI. From the START, hate to say this my friend but you are over rating your favorite boxer. In fact, YOU MIGHT be the only fan who would even consider JMM think or parellel him to ALI.

Pac HIMSELF has not achieved the status of ALI. If you think JMM will win in a fashion like what ali did to forman. KO Pac in what 7 or 8 rounds.

I CONGRATULATE YOU AND YOU WILL NEVER see SILVEMAGS again post. Maybe I'll post again just to congratulate you and JMM.

NOW, if PAC wins in a KO or TKO. You will have a SELF IMPOSED BAN for LIFE.

HOW's that for the BET?!

If you truely BELEIVE that JMM is better than PAC and the MAJORITY of the FANS how come even in the wierdest imagination of some boxing fans never wrote anything like?

JMM vs Diaz
JMM vs Cotto
JMM vs Hatton
JMM vs PBF

Why? Coz NONE of the JMM believers ever thought they have a slightest chance. :good

Are we in for a BET or NOT? LIFETIME BAN if someone gets KO'd. A few months of self imposed ban if one wins by a UD or SD only.

This is all cut the crap of the endless post fight analysys! ARE WE IN FOR A BET OR NOT?!

Silvermags

 

Among the four, i have it:

MAB - Excellent boxing skills(as he showed against Hamed, Enrique Sanchez, Tapia etc), versatility(can box or slug, can fight inside or long range), jab, bodypunching, and lastly an above average chin.

Morales - Same as MAB in terms of skills, what makes him second is that he seems bothered by pressure when applied by fighters on at least similar skill level. Even a lesser guy like In Jin Chi bothered him at 126. That also marked his defeat against MAB in the third fight(and the first fight was somewhat a gift decision). He also has an incredible sense of distance, he knew how to fully capitalize on that height and reach of his. Lastly his chin is the best among the four.

JMM - In terms of skills, JMM can be argued as #1. But aside from his counter-punching, which is the best of the four, there are a few knocks on his arsenal. His loss to Freddie Norwood and close call against Pac shows that he is bothered by excellent southpaws(derrick gainer notwithstanding, he chose not to fight anyway). His chin is also the most vulnerable among the four. I know that almost everything that MAB has is also possessed by JMM, but MAB has used and proven it against top-tier guys.


Lastly, Pac. To be honest, Pac is defensively the worst among the four, although it has rapidly improved. He still lunges when throwing haymakers, and he was never really an adept boxer. He got by relying more on power than technique. The only department he had leading is speed and power. And even his power diminished at 130. (Although quality of opposition should also be put in perspective.)


But that's what made him exciting and endearing. Not the most skilled by around, but he made it to the P4P list utilizing whatever he's got. Power, resiliency, speed and going all-out for the KO.

 

As they they... LETs put Your money where your mouth is?!!. If you think PAC is the worst among the four. I bet you don't MIND joining my BET?

JMM KO's PAC. I'm GONE forever in the website. The only thing you will hear from me is congratulation JMM and his fans! After that NO more Silvermags in this website.

PAC KO's JMM. Your name will be Gone FOREVER in this website. Easy time for you to decide coz you said Pac is the WORST correct?

Divac, if one loses by UD. You make the rule. 2 months ban? 6 months ? whatever number of months you like I can agree! Np PROBLEM with me. :hey :hey :hey

:bbb :bbb :bbb

 

Stop rushing there for a moment.

I guess you don't exactly know me. Well, it's never to late to introduce. I'm a Pac fan myself. You can try to check my posts if you're not convinced the way PacDbest does.


I have pick Pac to win over JMM.


Nevertheless, it's my God-given right to speak what my mind says. And I will maintain that skill-wise, Pac is last among the four.

 

OK. No problem. :thumbsup :good

Still EAGERLY awaiting Divac's reply... He talks's as if his the spokesman of JMM :hey and he is obviously a die hard of JMM. Like me, I'm a fan of pac.

Now, Lets end this talk on a LIFETIME BAN!!! :yep :yep :yep :yep
I'm SILENCED forever or DIVAC is SILENCED forever :hey :hey

 

IF Skills is > than POWER and SPEED you will agree on this bet
For me right amount of skill (pac) + POWER and SPEED > Lots of Skills (JMM) but lacks POWER and SPEED compared to pac.

THAT is the REASON I'm betting on A LIFETIME BAN!