Barrera, Morales, Marquez, Pacquaio. The best fighter?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Robbi, Dec 25, 2007.


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  1. Silvermags

    Silvermags Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    wow! divac, you buddy here has a ready made excuse if JMM loses! :bbb these are the boxing fans which makes some fights BORING coz they don't give credit where credit is due! if pac does not fight jmm he is ducking jmm right?! but if pac wins jmm is in his twiglight of his career!!!! If there is one dimensional boxer then this guy is one dimensional MIND SET!!!! :hey :hey :hey
     
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  2. Sweet Pea

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    Slight edge to Marquez over Morales for me.

    Pacquiao could be considered the least versatile, and worst pure boxer of the 3, but possibly the best fighter. Prime for prime, not sure if I'd favor any over Pac.

    As far as pure boxing skills though, Maruqez is one of the best technical boxers in the world.
     
    Sweet Pea, Dec 26, 2007
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  3. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    How Pacquaio has recieved the most votes is beyond me. He's a very good aggressive fighter, but he's only effective when throwing heavy artillery, well for the most part anyway. He can't fight too well on the backfoot, and rarely uses the jab as a ramrod weapon, he mainly paws with it as a range finder.

    If you look at this way, Marquez and Barrera can fight in the tenches to a higher degree than Pacquaio can box.
     
    Robbi, Dec 26, 2007
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  4. johnco

    johnco Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :rofl :rofl :rofl

    pac whooped the pound per pound # 2 mab and the "white flags of we surrender" were flying around. :lol: :lol: twilight?:tired
    not UD....

    all the 3 greats combined a ko of close to 10 ...

    I demand uliuli's brain an mri scanning :deal :deal
     
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  5. Executioner

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    and his inside game isn't the greatest, he squares up a lot and is often out of position to counter after throwing punches or off balance.
     
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  6. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    I think Pacquaio has recieved most of the votes because he's a fighter with the most nuthuggers on this forum. Plain and simple. Any knowledgeable boxing fan would pick either Barrera or Marquez ahead of him, probably Morales as well.

    Lets not forget, Barkley beat Hearns twice, but I'm not sure anyone, even individuals wired to the moon would say that Barkley was a more skilled and versatile fighter than Hearns when looking at the bigger picture.

    Pacquaio's style worked well against Barrera twice, and Morales over two matches as well, but that doesn't mean he's a better all round skilled fighter.

    Most of the people are voting for Pacquaio with their hearts, and not their heads.
     
    Robbi, Dec 26, 2007
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  7. angelos

    angelos Well-Known Member Full Member

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    1. Manny Pacquiao - He puts the asses of these 3 Fighters down. Plain and Simple.

    2. Marco Antonio Barrera - I hate to put him on the No.2 list but this guy accomplishes more than Erik.

    3. Erik Morales - One of my favorite. Great Heart and a true Warrior. I love to put him at No.2 but those 2 loses against Barrera really hurts.

    4. Juan Manuel Marquez - Maybe the best among the 4 technically but have to put him in the bottom because of lack of Accomplisment compared to the other 3 and It is a big question mark what will happen if he was able to fight Barrera and Morales in their prime.So it all comes down to Bad Career Management for JMM and his fans can only imagine how great he could have been.
     
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  8. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Thats not the question though. The best fighter in terms of what they can do in the ring. Talent, variety of punches, boxing ability as well as fighting ability. You can also add in speed, jab, body punching, stamina, ring generalship.

    I also explained in my last post. Because Pacman has wins over them, and a draw with Marquez doesn't mean he's the best fighter, in terms of H2H that may well be true.

    As I said, Barkley beat Hearns twice, yet wasn't anywhere in Tommy's league when it comes to the complete package.
     
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  9. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1. Erik Morales
    2. Marco Antonio Barrera
    3. Manny Pacquiao
    4. Juan Manuel Marquez
     
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  10. hmi

    hmi Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Robbi, your title thread and poll are confusing. You are asking for the most talented, the best all around and the best fighter! Those 3 are not the same. That's why you got surprised that Pac got the most vote because many thinks he is the best fighter. Actually I think what you want to know is the most technically skilled boxer.

    As someone has described before, talent is your natural ability (speed, power, etc.); technical skills are what you learned.

    If you are asking for the most technically skilled boxer, then my list will be:
    1. Marquez
    2. Barrera
    3. Morales (though I can change #2 & #3 with ease)
    4. Pacquiao

    If you are asking for the most talented/best fighter, my list will be:
    1. Pacquiao
    2. Morales
    3. Barrera (#2 & #3 are interchangeable)
    4. Marquez

    I did not vote yet because I want you to clarify that you are actually looking for the most technically skilled boxer or simply the best fighter.
     
    hmi, Dec 26, 2007
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  11. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    First of all, nothing to do with H2H. When I mean the best fighter, I'm talking about everything they do inside the ring, the best all round, and obviously versatility comes into it. What tools they have, jab, speed, body punching, combinations.

    Basically the best fighter or boxer, both combined. Just take everything into consideration apart from H2H and what they have achieved.

    Many people say Pacman because they think he's the best, but because he's P4P number 2 and matches well against them all H2H, doesn't mean a jot when it comes to the best all round. I mean talent, and versatlity.

    Listen, the thread heading says the best fighter. That doesn't mean the best at fighting, and not taking boxing ability into consideration.

    When people say boxer/fighter sometimes they mean the same thing. Its like talking to a mate on the street and they say "Ali was a great fighter or "Tyson was a superb boxer". We both know they what they mean.
     
    Robbi, Dec 26, 2007
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  12. DobyZhee

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    Its not that hard of a question..

    most talented and better all around...
     
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  13. Morrissey

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    Then, Pac can indeed be considered here. The mere fact that he beat these two elite technical fighters and drew with one would give us an idea that he is a great fighter.
     
    Morrissey, Dec 26, 2007
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  14. hmi

    hmi Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The most talented and better all around:
    1. Barrera
    2. Morales (since #1 & #2 are interchangeable for me, I will vote for #2 in the poll)
    3. Marquez
    4. Pacquiao

    It would have been better if Joan Guzman was included in the poll. Also, Pacquiao doesn't have the all-around talent of those 3 but he will whoop them all in H2H.
     
    hmi, Dec 26, 2007
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  15. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Means not a jot. Listen, Donald Curry was a brilliant all round fighter. Among the most talented fighters of the 80's. Every punch in the book, good defense, superb jab, and he was as good inside as he was on the outside. Many would say he was better than Honeyghan who ended up handing him his first loss. So because Pacman beat Barrera and Morales twice a piece means zero regarding my question.

    As I have said before, Barkley beat Hearns twice. Does that automatically mean Barkley must have a shout at being a better fighter all round than Hearns?. Could he do more inside the ring, and was he a better boxer, a better jab, more speed?. No, I don't think so.
     
    Robbi, Dec 26, 2007
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