Barrera vs Morales II - Rescored

He was brave to go straight in vs Jones again with no tune-up, he should maybe have did likewise vs Pacquiao in 2003/04, he wasnt as past prime as when they did fight their rematch & he may have had enough left to pull out a close decision over that version of Manny, especially if he was as sharp as he was in the 3rd EM fight. He`d certainly have put in a better effort than he did in 07, win or lose.

 

Dont have my exact card but I think I had it about 7-5, I think it was closer than people have been saying but it would have been wrong had Marco got the decision, Pac just seemed to have more left late on & Barrera never took enough chances but all in all, everything considered, a decent performance, just not a winning one tho.

How did you score it ?

 

Are you freak'in kidding me?
Top Rank commentators had it for MAB by a point?atsch
......can anyone confirm this?

I gave MAB 3 rounds and I thought I was being charitable.


.....and Addie, why the hell would you not want to see the fight knowing that Top Rank scored for MAB by a point?.......your point for not seeing the fight makes absolutely no sense, if you knew Top Rank scored for MAB?:think

 

forgot how i scored that fight, but i remember it was definitely not a mab 1 point win.

but he could have helped himself more if mab was more agressive that fight. i felt he studied the mab-mp I fight tapes too much and expected the same style from mp.

but team pac by that time, dialled down pac's aggression to mostly 2 to 4 punch bursts, instead of an all out barrage, all the time, where he can be more open to counters.

that was the pac that mab was expecting, and i think he waited too long to attack and became mostly a counterpuncher that night.

 

You're right, Pac was'nt aggressive by his standards at all......
....he waited for MAB, , knowing that MAB would try to beat him the way he beat Rocky Juarez in their rematch.....I'm 100% certain that Freddie Roach showed Pac the tape of MAB's rematch with Rocky Juarez and told him, "thats exactly what MAB's approach will be with you.....stick and move, stick and more.....jab, jab, jab......but we're not going to give him that chance. We're going to force him to come to us."

......which is precisely what happened in the fight. Pac forced MAB to have to go to him, and MAB just did'nt have the cojones to go through with it.

Pac would come in with small bursts at Barrera and would dart away. Pac was too quick when he darted in and then out, that MAB could'nt respond with a counter.

......its too bad MAB did'nt take more chances with aggressiveness, because the few times he did.....Pac from my perspective did'nt have the know how to counter........
The few times MAB became aggressive in rounds, he won them.
.....sadly for MAB, when you're aggressive against Pac, you're still going to taste some of his straight left that MAB was so afraid to get hit with.

 

For me it was'nt the fact that MAB was hesitant to exchange with Pac and become overcautious.......

......alot of fighters do that subconciously against fighters that have beat them down before. They become hesitant to engage, even though they did'nt plan it that way......
......but in this case, I think it was embarassing that MAB at the end of the fight considered it a victory that he did what his naysayers said he would'nt......
.....MAB in the ring afterward admitted to being content to cross the finish line.....the he had defied the naysayers who had said Pac would devour him.

MAB in no way, shape, or form, fought to win in his rematch with Pacquiao.....and for as good a fighter as he was (I do consider MAB a great fighter, Addie) but he quit before he got in the ring in that Pacquiao rematch.....that was plain to see.


I've always said, give it your best, fight on.....and if the tanks on empty and you've got nothing left, to me there's no shame sitting on the canvas after being dropped, or waving a towel in your corner signaling surrender.......but when you give it your all in fighting to win, there is absolutely nothing to feel ashamed about.

 

Since you're such a huge MAB fan, I'm just going to leave it alone Addie......

......it hurts you when something is posted that does'nt depict MAB in a positive way.....

.....when I post, I post honest opinions. Just the way I feel it....

....not liking a particular fighter for whatever reason, does'nt stop me from giving the man credit when its due.....
I dont like Mayweather one bit, but as far as his skills go, he's got my respect....and it doe'snt stop me from giving him his due.......and this has nothing to do with him beating JMM, which I picked he would.....

MAB's was a great fighter, I just dont rate him where you do......I have him at the bottom of the mini-fab four.....and there is absolutely no shame in that.....when I post I state my reasons for having MAB at the bottom, and it has nothing to do with liking or disliking him.

.....sure, when a Marquez fan as myself gets into discussions about who the better fighter was.....we're not going to like some of the bashing that goes along with making a point for one fighter or the other.....

.....but let me go on record here as stating MAB was a fine fighter. A HOF'er who gave the sport alot of great fights.......
.....did he do and act in a certain way that was unsportmanlike? Sure.......
....does that take away from the fact he was a great fighter? No

Lets move on and not take it so personal when others rate a fighter above , or point to a negative about your favorite....
At the end of the day its just an opinion and its what keeps this forum running and thriving as the best when it comes to talking about boxing......


I dont smoke, but let me light a smiley cigar in honor of MAB and say the man was a great fighter!:hat

 

The only thing I would add to this thread is that I think in the Pac rematch, MAB was following a strategy. He was looking to counter and hurt an onrushing Pac, and Pac didn't give him the opportunity. Failing that, he wanted to simply outbox him. There's just no way that MAB at this late date in his career is going to win a firefight with Manny. He knows that, I know that, everyone knows that. He did what gave him the best chance to win, Pac fought a smart fight, more power to him. He deserved the victory.

 

I know I said I would leave it alone, but you make it hard for me........you said you have'nt seen the fight!

In any regards......do you think, MAB at that point did'nt have the ability to adjust on the fly......meaning get aggressive (and he did win the rounds when he did) and make Pacquiao have to respond in kind?

If MAB would have gotten aggressive in more sequences of the fight, I believe Pac would have responded in kind not liking MAB getting the better of him aggressively.
If you attack MAB, its proven, he'll lose his cool.

MAB needed to force the issue and probe, to see if Pacquiao would come out of the diciplined way he was fighthing......but only for a few short burtst, MAB never changed the tone of the fight and adjusted to disrupt Pacquiao's tempo......

Pacquiao can be disrupted, as JMM proved.....but you have to be a grade A chess player with a cool head to do so.

 

I had Morales winning the 2nd fight 7-5 maybe 8-4. The first fight Morales won easily. Barrera landed the harder shots but Morales did more. The 3rd fight Barrera won. Morales needed one more round to KO Barrera in that fight. Morales nuhugger here though. I had it 1-1-1 before but I rewatched them all.