Barrera's top 5 Mexican fighters of all time.

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  1. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    "To be a Mexican fighter you first have to be a warrior,'' says Barrera, which explains his exclusion of the slick-boxing Canto among his top five.

    "Throw punches from the first bell to the last. It doesn't matter that you get hit as long as you land. That's why I put Olivares on my list. He was a typical Mexican fighter. He was always going forward looking for a knockouts. To me, the list is Salvador Sanchez, Chavez, Ruben Olivares, Vicente Saldivar and (Erik) Morales.''

    1. Salvador Sanchez
    2. Julio Cesar Chavez
    3. Ruben Olivares
    4. Vicente Saldivar
    5. Erik Morales

    What are you thoughts on Barrera's list?
     
  2. Sayers

    Sayers Member Full Member

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    Think Sanchez is way too high at number one, it is between Olivares and Chavez for me, think I am probably biaised giving JCC the nod. I worked out a rough top ten and actually have Barrera one place ahead of Morales. Doesnt surprise me that he regards him highly after their battles. The top 4 are all very close as the 5-7 and 8-10.

    My work-in-progress top 5
    EDIT: Added to make a work-in-progress top 10

    1. Julio Cesar Chavez
    2. Ruben Olivares
    3. Vicente Saldivar
    4. Salvador Sanchez
    5. Miguel Canto
    6. Baby Arizmendi
    7. Carlos Zarate
    8. Marcos Barrera
    9. Eric Morales
    10. Kid Azteca

    Couldnt find space for Marquez or Lopez in the end and I feel Canto and Sanchez should be higher, but just cant work out how to make it happen.
     
  3. essexboy

    essexboy The Cat Full Member

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    I can buy Sanchez as number one, in fact thats probably where I'd have him. Crammed alot of world class performances into his 23 years. Chavez, Olivares and Saldivar are all placed right. He obviously has alot of respect for Morales despite their rivalry, thats good to see.
     
  4. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I wouldn´t have xpected him to think that highly of Morales given the dislike they have for each other. Fair guy it seems.
     
  5. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Me neither, but on the other hand that may be more for Barrera himself than Morales if you know what I mean, :yep
     
  6. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Sanchez was the glittering jewel among the top Mexican greats...a fact lost somewhat on the fans who would choose Chavez. Sanchez was the best..a balanced, master boxer/puncher who was head and shoulder above his considerable competion. Yeah Chavez was great..really great, but Sanchez edges him out all around. And I disagree with MAB (a big favorite of mine) about the exclusion of Canto in his top 5,and he forgets that he opted to emulate, whether subconsciously or not, the great boxing master Miguel Canto in his greatest signature performance against Hamed. It was by boxing throughout, and sticking to the script, without the need for slugfest histrionics that enabled him to turn in one of the most masterful boxing lessons of all times in not only banishing Hamed, but redefining himself as a great fighter in his own right.
     
  7. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thats not very fair on Canto IMO...if thats what Barerra is implying by his first quote.

    He was a short arse little flyweight who routinely gave away several inches and went into the belly of the beast on many occasions...defending his title in Venezuela, Chile, Japan, the U.S etc. He made the best of what he with his short stature and lack of physical strength by being a highly skilled technician.

    MAB also didnt exactly fight like a "warrior" against Manny in the rematch..or Juarez in the rematch..Nor really even against Naz, who he mostly boxed at range and on the backfoot.
    No one is questioning Barerra's warrior heart (and rightly so)..why question Canto's for being a tactical and defensive master?

    Edit: Didnt notice red cob already covered a lot of it anyway and I agree with you for the most part mate.
     
  8. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    ...He just wasn't included among his top 5...and Marco didn't include himself either, probably for that very reason. I'm not a fan of his criteria, but at least he's consistent with it.
     
  9. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think he is either just being modest or perhaps he was asked to put 5 fighters apart from him. Surely he would put himself above Erik.

    I just am puzzled by that first quote...Who wrote that? Was that exactly what MAB was implying or did the author just make that assumption?
     
  10. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Before his third fight with Morales he declared that Erik was the best fighter in the world from Mexico. There is no evidence, on film or writing, to suggest Marco hated Morales. It was all one way traffic in that respect.

    Barrera: "On the contrary, I admire him. Thanks to him, we both made our mark in Mexican Boxing history"

    Morales: "I just treat people the way they treat me. He's a mother****er, that's all".
     
  11. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Canto wasn't amazing, very good, best at his weight during his prime years, with a pretty style.

    That is the extent of his greatness though.

    I know it, Barrera knows it.

    Drop this Canto **** you all have going on, it is killing me.
     
  12. VX.Nefarious

    VX.Nefarious Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Canto should definitely be in there, i personally don't like the "warrior" style, i prefer a "tactical warrior" style i guess.
     
  13. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    I like his Sanchez pick, always thought he'd be a Chavez fan with his reminicent style
     
  14. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I read an old interview where did once claim that his favorites were Lopez and Chavez. That said, a lot can change over the course of 10-15 years.
     
  15. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Yet he leaves out Canto.

    Excellant post

    Yeh Morales walked onto Barrera's face at speed.