Barry McGuigan, in Retrospect

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  1. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just thinking about short primes as Donald Curry has been the subject of some odd debate here recently. One whose prime must be considered even shorter was Barry McGuigan.

    In fights against the likes of Laporte (when beating him still meant something) and then Pedroza followed by a stoppage defense against the slick and unbeaten Bernard Taylor, Barry seemed like the real deal and was one of boxing's biggest stars, not only for his fan-friendly style but for the unifying effect he had on strife-ridden Northern Ireland.

    His slip really began showing in his next effort against the unsung Danilo Cabrera, who extended McGuigan and swelling up his face before finally succumbing in the 14th. Then of course the disaster against Cruz in Las Vegas, essentially ending his career even though he attempted a comeback at 130 pounds.

    What do you think of Barry's career and his impact? Was he really as big a deal in the UK as was played up here? The networks loved him on this side of the pond, even airing his fight with Pedroza in the U.S. in the late afternoon slot right before prime time. I was upset then, wanting the grizzled old vet to pull it out against the hotshot young kid but no dice. Barry was not to be denied.
     
  2. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    I liked Barry McGuigan a lot, a very determined fighter. He drew up the perfect plan to take down long reigning champion Eusebio Pedroza in London on June 8 1985. He was destined for potential greatness, he had future fights against co champion Azumah Nelson on the horizon. His father used to sing Danny Boy, before each fight. the whole nation of Ireland was very proud of him. But like many before him, he underestimated another challenger, Stevie Cruz.
     
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  3. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The most disappointing outcome of a career in my lifetime. Heartbreaking. I thought he was made of sterner stuff. But you can't measure heart.
     
  4. Rope-a-Dope

    Rope-a-Dope Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good fighter in the right place at the right time. Beating Laporte, a faded Pedroza, and Taylor is pretty impressive, but not amazing. He'd have had no chance against prime Pedroza.
     
  5. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    I recorded the the fight on the VCR timer as it was my last assigned Air National Guard drill that Saturday, June 8 1985, I was discharged honorably after 6 years, my full obligation as a Sgt. Barry was sure determined. I watched the full fight with commercials when I got home. I went with my family to Disneyland the next day.
     
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  6. George forearm

    George forearm The forearm of George Full Member

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    I never really rated Mcguigan that highly can't stand him as a man either
     
  7. Jamal Perkins

    Jamal Perkins Well-Known Member Full Member

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    McGuigan was the real deal.His world level resume is impressive
    Even in the most unfavourable circumstances he very nearly beat Cruz...was 3 minutes from victory.

    You look at his world level reign...laporte,pedroza,taylor,cabrera,cruz in midday vegas desert...one after the next...this kid had no breathers...no caveman lee type defence...

    I think he was finished at that age 25/26 due to his dads death and its impact,his new born child being very ill,problems with shylock Eastwood.

    When he did come back he beat 2 fringe contenders but got bested by a non puncher McDonnel he was finished...his skin cut more easily ged become a bleeder and he looked slower
     
  8. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    Sorry you feel that way about Barry.Many years ago i wrote a letter to him regarding a program on Sky Sports.To my amazement i received a two paged hand written letter reply along with a signed photo.Can`t see many fighters taking the time to do that.
    As a fighter he was brilliant albeit for a short period
     
  9. mcvey

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    I agree with your summary, the wheels appeared to start to come off against Cabrera .His defence against Cruz, in that heat was stupid.Eastwood was a novice at the boxing game and Mickey Duff advised him early on until Barry was at the top ,at which point Eastwood gave him his marching orders. I only saw Barry live once ,against a Spaniard Eguia? Barry had a terrific left hook to the floating rib area and a big right hand..I don't think he could fight backing up and I would have given the nod to Nelson had they ever fought,but great nights when Barry fought, and he remains a good guy, imo.
    NB Pedroza, never the most observant of the rules,showed the heart and courage of a champion going down to defeat against Barry
     
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  10. CharlesBurley

    CharlesBurley Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I think he had great defensive head movement and foundamentals with fast hands.

    That's a great story Noel, I hope you kept the letter. I always got the feeling that Barry was a real genuine bloke and I grew on his commentary, which always gave decent insight.
     
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  11. Noel857

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    Thanks Charles and yes still got the letter and photo
     
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  12. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Love the story about the letter and photo.

    As a fighter it was hard not to be impressed with him in '84, '85. Crippling hook, purposeful movement, excellent schooling in all aspects. I don't think he'd ever have beaten Nelson, that's a bridge too far ut no shame in that. Barry was great for boxing, shame it was so fleeting.
     
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  13. ChrisJS

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    I can’t really much more than has been written here. Shame his prime was so short but he had a lot going on and he did squeeze a lot of quality into a short period. LaPorte performance was great, Pedroza win was iconic and though he lost, the Cruz fight was a classic and the Taylor defense was also a superb victory.

    I read his autobiography a while back and enjoyed it. I’ve always felt he came across as a top guy.
     
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  14. TBooze

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    With hindsight the Pedroza fight was the end of his prime. His defences did not show the fire of the previous year/18 months. Even against Taylor he struggled with a weight drained fighter for a number of rounds.


    I think he was going through a lot of personal problems at the time, and it clearly affected his performances. When he came back there seemed a little of the fire had returned against Perez and da Cruz, but the hard albeit short career had caught up with him and the Miranda fight was just ugly.


    Although I got caught in the hype and thought he would win, I guess the McDonnell fight was just a payday for Barry, as the fight played out he clearly was not interested.
     
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  15. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    One of my favorite fighters of that time period. There was even a book out at the time called Leave the fighting to McGuigan. Still have it. I dont know what happened to him I honestly think he couldnt get over his Fathet passing away at the time. Then there was the massive problems with his promoter also. Good technical pressure boxer puncher . Along with Mancini he also gets thrown under the bus alot.