Barry McGuigan - Lennox Lewis Would Have Destroyed Fury.!

which can only mean that you cannot dispute one bit of those points either.

Vitali was facing the exact same guy who just beat Mike Tyson and Rahman. Same shape.

as a direct result of the pace the Croatian set, you don’t think Lewis looked more ragged and more vulnerable winning that Mavrovic fight than he did controlling and dictating things against Tua?

I’m using what was still a historically significant winning performance in relation to his overall career. It wound up being Lewis last fight. He won. He did not lose like he did against Rahman or McCall. Did he decline after these losses? As I remember he went on to be celebrated for coming back.

Having knocked out Rahman, Tyson and stopped Vitali Some might say Lewis retired before he could decline. He had righted wrongs and rode far off into the sunset.. People were certainly still raving about his standing as the best heavyweight of the era.

 

Good grief.

Or it could mean I simply have no interest in going over old ground with you in relation to where Lewis was in his career, by the time he fought Vitali.

Sure - It was very thoughtful of Lewis to go into cryogenic suspension for a year, just for Vitali.

No one who knows the history, who knows what they're looking at or who knows what they're talking about thinks Lewis was the "exact same guy" who had beaten Mike Tyson a year prior.

Do you not find it strange that the guy you are claiming to be the pacesetter was also being out-thrown and out-landed by a ratio of roughly 7-4?

I've already stated that I think they were each a different type of fight.

You are comparing apples to oranges and expecting the difference between them to amount to something meaningful.

We've been through this before - a few years ago. It's why I have no interest in your take on the matter now.

Lewis was talking retirement in 2002. The only thing giving him pause was the potential of a Tyson rematch and another mega-payday.

A year passed, no rematch was in the offing, but the course of events in having attempted to make that match left Lewis being contractually obliged to fight Vitali. By this time, Lewis was disinterested, hadn't trained properly, was in poor condition and had drifted some way from his best going into that fight.

The contest serves as no realistic benchmark for a fantasy head-to-head matchup involving Lewis, given that head-to-head speculations tend to take the best/prime versions of each fighter.

I have absolutely no desire to go over this topic of Lewis/Vitali with you again. As far as I am concerned, it has already been settled.

 

you predictably did not answer the question. Anyone but you can see The tempo was less comfortable for Lennox in the Mavrovic fight than in the Tua fight.
But that’s okay, Perhaps you only feel qualified enough to concentrate upon the theory & statistics of printed results rather than practical technical details of ring performance itself?

no I’m talking about the effect of tempo and pace in relation to the prowess of a fighter and how key it is when the pace is set higher than is comfortable.

let’s stick to Lewis vs Fury and the pace both fighters operate at then.

A fighter is as good as his last fight. Odds makers base odd on this all the time. Lewis a year older, he has not fought since winning his last fight. He’s favourite to win. He does win.

 

This is choice coming from you, given that you completely failed to answer my initial question:

"From what specific aspects of the Lewis/Mavrovic bout are you drawing this conclusion?"


The conclusion of yours in this case being that:

Against Mavrovic, Lewis exhibited a "very sloppy performance that Fury can exploit to greater effect."


You removed my question from your reply. Instead, you use one of Lewis' easiest outings (Tua) as 'the standard' to support the idea that anything more complicated (in this case Lewis/Mavrovic) showed Lewis to be very sloppy and imagine yourself to have provided technical details of the ring performance itself?


I neither saw a sloppy nor a ragged performance from Lewis against Mavrovic. That much must have been made clear to you, if not from the outset, then by now, surely? So, what purpose did you intend your loaded question to serve?


You really are a card.

But you are not talking about anything specific - you are just generalizing.

What is this effect of tempo?
How did it manifest in the Mavrovic bout?
What does being less comfortable actually mean in real terms?
How are you observing and quantifying this discomfort?
Is pace/tempo the only factor in determining this measure of discomfort?

And, I'll repeat: From what specific aspects of the Lewis/Mavrovic bout are you drawing the conclusion that Lewis put on a "very sloppy performance"?

Answer the initial question.

^^Poetic ignorance - a specialism of yours.

 

It’s self evident watching the fight that Lewis was made to breathe hard as a result from the pace/tempo being higher than he liked. The result of which, to stay ahead, and he was ahead throughout, the hurried work was less effective. Slopping looking. Having less time to set himself It effected his composure. Whist winning, he was hit with daft blows,,He was hanging on gasping for air too.

perhaps you interpreted this another way?

in relation to how Lewis conducted himself when he was controlling the tempo? It is my opinion that Lennox was excellent at dictating the pace. On occasion an opponent could hurry him up and he was less composed in responding in a forced manner.

Again. you are asking for what I have already answered. How did it manifest? You have to be pulling my chain by now.

This is a tactic of yours to continue to question the already answered question. I don’t know what there is that you suppose to achieve here. I’ve answered this quite satisfactorily and descriptively enough …and in layman’s terms to help you. If you somehow misunderstood and have any more difficulty I remain happy to help though.

 

Any version of Lewis destroys Fury. The young, offensively-minded version, KO's Fury in 4. The older, more patient Lewis, KO's Fury sometime after 4.

 

If Lewis landed the right that KO'd Rahman on TF, the gypsy king sleeps.

That shot was about twice as hard as the one Wilder almost killed TF with.

 

If I need to let any more blood through my eyeballs, I'll be sure to get in touch.

 

The only difficulty I had, was whether to score the fight 117-111 or 116-112.