Based Soley On Resume Who Ranks Higher Holyfield Or Corbett?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Judged purely on their results
    Which of these two heavyweight champions deserves to be ranked the highest at heavyweight?
    Corbett 11-4-3
    Major wins:
    McCoy*
    Mitchell
    McCaffrey
    Kilrain
    Sullivan
    * There is some doubt this fight was on the level.

    Holyfield 44-10-2
    Major wins:
    Botha
    Moorer
    Tyson x2
    Oquendo
    Rahman
    Ruiz
    Bowe
    Mercer
    Holmes
    Foreman
    Douglas
    Qawi
    Stewart x2
    Dokes
    Thomas
    Deleon
     
  2. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mac, you know the answer.

    Holy has 8 wins over 7 different HW lineal champions. I'll name them.

    Douglas, Foreman, Holmes, Bowe, Tyson (twice), Moorer, Rahman.

    Add to that list 15+ wins over cruiseweight world champions, HW beltholders, and TOP-10 HWs.

    Then compare that list to Corbett.

    But then again, no one (and you know whom I mean) will change his mind here even when he faces facts
     
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  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I take as positive a view of the resumes of Corbett's era as anybody, and I still see the case in favour of Holyfield as unequivocal
     
  4. mcvey

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    Three of Corbett's best wins are over a 165lbs Mitchell , Dominic McCaffrey who commonly scaled around 167lbs and Kid McCoy who scaled 163lbs in a fight with Dan Creedon, the same year he fought Corbett .
    This leaves just his win over a bareknuckle fighter Jake Kilrain and his title victory over a 34 years old Sullivan who hadn't fought in over 4 and a half years.
     
  5. reznick

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  6. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    if you split holyfield's career into thirds, each 3rd is better than corbett's.
     
  7. Unforgiven

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    Jim Corbett has one great win, against John L.Sullivan, who was probably WAY past his best.
    He also has the 61-round draw against Peter Jackson.
    Those are possibly outstanding results.
     
  8. mcvey

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    The fact that Sullivan had not fought in over 4 and a half years takes most of the shine of that result imo
     
  9. Drew101

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    To be fair, you should remove Qawi and DeLeon from the list, since those matches were at cruiserweight.
     
  10. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I mean...it doesn't change the fact that Holyfield has the better resume, in my opinion...But fair is fair.
     
  11. mcvey

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    QUOTE="Drew101, post: 18226475, member: 1376"]To be fair, you should remove Qawi and DeLeon from the list, since those matches were at cruiserweight.[/QUOTE]
    Actually I am fully justified in including them because ,Corbett's wins over McCaffrey,Mitchell,[ he scaled 150lbs when prime for the Sullivan fight,] McCoy ,Choynski were wins over super middles!
    Deleon188lbs and Qawi 190lbs would be, apart from Sullivan and Jackson,[whom he didn't beat,] the biggest men of any quality Corbett ever faced!
    But as you say,I don't need them, my case is amply proven without them!
     
  12. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, but the cruiserweight and LH limits hadn't been established in Corbett's time, Mac. Ergo, most of them were heavyweights. De Leon and Qawi were contested in a different weight division than heavyweight.

    Anyway, to nitpick further...Thomas was considered damaged goods and Botha was beyond shot when he faced an equally shot Real Deal. These wins don't really need to be included either in order to build your case.
     
  13. FrankinDallas

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    Holyfield. All day.

    And no one has mentioned that Corbett was crushed in 4 out of his 5 last fights against good opposition.
    Beating up an old drunk in Sullivan doesn't count for me.

    I bet even Errol Flynn, who played Corbett in the movies, would have beat him up.
     
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  14. janitor

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    The problem is that his two best results are a draw and a win over a sublimely shot champion.

    That is the kind of resume that is going to keep sliding down the rankings with every passing era.

    He gave bot Fitzsimons and Jeffries a boxing lesson, but they compiled stronger resumes, got better results vs. common opponents, and of course beat him.

    In the final analysis Corbett probably stacks up a lot better head to head, than he does in terms of resume.
     
  15. mcvey

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    if you aren't happy with their inclusion then by all means omit them.
    Does this change your conclusion to the question posed?