Does Carmen survive the early onslaught and carry Tommy into the later rounds and begin to dominate? Or does Tommy slice and dice Carmens face forcing a stoppage if not in fact KOing him early on? My guess, Hearns KO anytime after 8rds. Discuss.
Hearns via either late stoppage (due to accumilation) or UD. Whilst Basilio is as tough as they come he would be outgunned in nearly every department, speed, height, reach, power, jab, combination punching, etc. Basilio wouldnt get a look in imo.
The right hands that reached Cuevas' and Duran's chins would find Carmen's chin too. At welter, Tommy would be the first to k.o Basilio.
Probably would be hearns by stoppage, basilio would be able to maybe stop hearns if he could get off first, it just wont happen imo i'll re-phrase that, he maybe had the power to do it, it wont happen though, as goin toe-to-toe with tommy isnt a great idea, although i realy like how basilio's shots are thrown, they're technically much better than lamotta's, sharper imo and faster, doesnt telegraph shots
Much as I respect and like Carmen, and as tough as he is... Hearn's probably still takes him out with a laser guided right hand.
Don't underestimate Basilio. After all he did go 15 tough rounds with Robinson; not an easy task. Yes I know this Robinson wasn't in his prime but he still had alot of his skills. I wonder if Hearns could have lasted 30 rounds with that version of Sugar Ray Robinson without being stopped. I have my doubts. His stamina wasn't half of what Basilio's was. The early going would be interesting to see how Basilio took Hearns power shots. My guess is that he would and would hang in there and get to Hearns in the later rounds.
Hearns stamina was fine at 147 and 154. It took a great burst from ray in the thirteenth to get to tommy after hearns started to stick and move,and he went 15 no probs with benitez. Hearns didnt have ray leonard stamina but it was good enough for most....No fight did hearns lose on lack of stamina..... Also, i believe carmen was 5 ft 6? Come on guys,when did a 5 ft 6 welter trouble hearns?
Good poiints also, i dont think stamina may have been the right word used, but Basilio would have the durability edge imo, he was a man of many wars, both are tough as nalis, especially Hearns, neither lack heart, but i do think Carmen edges the durability department, i did pick Hearns to win this one though
Yes,hearns has some durability issues,but it normally takes a heck of a lot of punishment to expose them....
You're right, i do think it takes greatness to prove durability problems against peak Hearns, i just meant that Carmen may hold the edge there
Tough Question. Hearns considered Duran a midget -and Duran was about an inch taller than Basilio; and Duran was better technically & with a chin at least as tough. And we all know what happened there. If Duran could fall on his face under the JMW Hearn's onslaught, there is no man of comparable size who wasn't at dire risk of the same treatment. Period, end of story. However, I don't believe that Hearns was as strong at 147 as he was at Jr. Middle. He came into his own there and filled out nicely. Basilio would chomp at the bit when he saw that exposed rib cage on skinny Hearns. Basilio was a helluva a body puncher -it's how he got to Turpin. Turpin was difficult outside because of his awkwardness and Carmen himself sees that reason as why Turpin managed to beat Ray the first time, but he was less dangerous when you stuck to him. Carmen got close to Turpin and gradually weakened him with body shots. I see Carmen doing the same on WW Tommy. If, if, if he can go through the hell he would have to get there, Carmen would win a war of attrition.
Basilio would win, after the early going. Basilio had more of a iron cast jaw than Duran imo. Carman was taking bombs off of Robinson, Saxton, Demarco, Fullmer, and a bunch of other top notch punchers. Basilio as more than any one, has proven his iron jaw imo. He was about a top ten here. He does have the edge in stimia. And Basilio has the style, were trouble in the early going, could wear Hearns out in the late. Assuming the ref does not part them and let Basilio get some work done(As was the custom in the 50's) I like Carman by ko around the 13th or 14.
`Basilio was a tough, rough guy, Holmes had the advantage in size and reach but Basilio had heart and a great hook...Iran Barkley was a reckless winger but he caught Hearns
