this would be a decent contest wouldnt it. Basilio's nephew Billy Backus gave Napoles all types of problems before stopping him on cuts but while losing on points. Backus then put up a very good fight in the return and still gave Napoles problems but eventually lost on cuts while down on points again. Basilio however was a better version of Backus and alot better fighter. he beat Ray Robinson who was a master boxer like Napoles and arguably beat Gavilan who is another boxer similar to Napoles i think this would be a very good contest, thoughts?
I think Napoles would be surging ahead on points in a classic battle......Napoles' ability to box away from Basilio may be the key, but I feel Carmen's pressure would cause an awful cut late on and Napoles would be stopped. Shame....I think any ATG with a good chin will beat Napoles as he was so easy to cut. However, Napoles has mind-numbing power.....but I don't think it stops Basilio's pressure, BASILIO W CUTS 13 Only my opinion though.
Napoles widish UD. Napoles cuts problem isnt as bad as its made out, he was only stopped 3times on cuts, 2 of those over the age of 30 (1 in his last fight), lets say a younger Mantequilla who didn't have lingering facial injuries shows up.
Okay....let's assume Napoles doesn't get stopped on cuts. Yes, I would say he would win, a fairly Wide Decision, say, 10-5, 9-6.
but backus did give napoles problems and basilio is a better Backus how does Napoles do any better against basilio than he did Backus?
Fair enough comment. I don't nessecarily think Napoles struggled with 'swarmers' (from what I've seen anyways).....umm, maybe he had a bad night, maybe Backus had a good night? You goin' through a bit of a Basilio/Gavilan 50's fighters phase GPater? Like I did with the 70's Latin fighters :good
nah its not a phase. always liked Basilio, Gavilan, SRR, Fullmer etc... but Dempsey send me afew DVDs and ive been watching them. ive just been off school so just been watching fights from all eras. have you saw backus vs Napoles. Napoles was just past prime but being given problems in 2 fights is more than just 2 bad nights in a rw with Backus having 2 good nights if you get me. However Backus was a southpaw
Possibly because Backus was a southpaw that he gave Napoles a hard time. I can't recall any other left-handers that Napoles fought, although I'm sure they're out there. Scartissue
yeh i just posted that it i just remembered although Backus didnt exactly use the southpaw stance like a normal southpaw he just kinda plodded forward like a lesser Basilio
Well, without seeing the fight Greg I can't comment. However, havin finally knocked the bad stuff on the head I have a lot more get up and go so who knows I might finally get my ass in gear and start trading with ya......:good
I'm not even positive Napoles wins on points, which is to say nothing of the fact that this fight would more than likely end with someone's face being cut to pieces. A bigger, stronger brusier like Basilio with that style of roughing and crowding is all wrong for Jose, who'd likely have success in the early rounds before being forced into too many exchanges for his own good, until the fight eventually devolved into more of a taxing slug-fest/in-fight. If that type of fight somehow didn't lead to a cuts stoppage (Basilio was quite susceptible to cuts himself), I still think it would play to Napoles's disadvantage, as Basilio's size and strength advantage over the natural LW Napoles would give him the edge. I'd bet on Basilio if forced, over 15 rounds. One of the worst matchups for Mantequilla IMO.
I think Napoles would be ahead on the scorecard, on his way to a decision win, until Basilio turns up the heat and starts applying pressure...and inflicts a nasty cut on Jose's face.
Basilio is not a fighter you want to have coming at you if your skin is a giant question mark. I can't think of very many other fighters if any who I'd want to tangle with less in that situation.