Battle of the 90's Journeymen, Cooper vs Thunder

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  1. Bonecrusher

    Bonecrusher Lineal Champion Full Member

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    Man I can see this one on Tuesday Night Fights, in all its glory!!
    I have such an affinity for the old TNF. I have every show they ever aired, most still on VHS I'm still getting around to all those transfers lol.
    Both these guys made multiple appearances on TNF. This one would be interesting. Cooper motivated and in shape probably does a number on Thunder, but......... Slicksters and cuties bothered Thunder not guys that wanted to stand and bang, and we know Cooper stays right there inside and wants to trade. Cooper sometimes pulls his own plug when hard punches start flying at him and other times you could run him over with a dumptruck and he'd keep coming. So can Thunder hurt the very easy to hit Cooper or does the Smoke walk right thru Thunder?? And go......
     
  2. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Gotta go with Cooper, whom I see as a talented underachiever, whereas Thunder is an untalented over-achiever. Thunder was tough and would have a size advantage, but I think Bert threw much sharper punches and would bust Jimmy up, stopping him around round 5, kinda like the Joe Hipp fight.
     
  3. mr. magoo

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    I share your nostalgia for Tuesday night fights, ESPN top rank boxing, "telemundo, ABC wide world of sports, etc, etc.. Those were the days when boxing was boxing and those networks gave you the best.. All the household named journeyman, trial horses, veterans, former champions, top contenders and the hottest young prospects.. As for thunder and cooper they made their fair share of appearances on some of those venues and gave us some exciting evenings. So who wins? I haven't a clue. Both those men ran hot and cold and were everything BUT predictable. It would also depend on the exact time frame as to who would have the better chance.. Smokin Bert was pretty hot from 1990-1992.. He was beating some good prospects and fringe types while only falling to the elite.. Should they meet within that window of time then I have to give it to cooper.. A few years later however and The thunder strikes down..
     
  4. Hookie

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    From early 1990 - early 1993 Bert Cooper was probably at his best. He beat Orlin Norris KO8, lost to Ray Mercer (L12, but he gave Mercer a tough fight), lost to Riddlck Bowe (LKOby2, he did well in the 1st but was done after that), beat Joe Hipp KO5, lost to Evander Holyfield (LKOby7, he dropped Holyfield in the 3rd round, he was the first person to do so), he beat Cecil Coffee KO2, he lost to Moorer (LKOby5, he had Moorer down twice), he beat Rocky Pepeli KO8, and he lost to Mike Weaver (L10, close fight).

    Had they fought from 1990-1993 I'd go with Cooper. Had they fought when Thunder was at his best (1993-1996), Thunder would probably have won. Prime vs. Prime? I think I'd go with Cooper.
     
  5. BCS8

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    Bert Cooooooperrr! When Bert was on a mission he was a badass. The fight he had with Mercer I think degraded his future performances to some extent. That was brutal, for both men.
     
  6. Smokin Bert

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    great ****ysis. That is how I see it, as well.

    War Smokin' Bert COOOPERRR!!!!
     
  7. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Prime for prime Cooper was better

    Thunder got stopped with one shot by the light hitting Mike "the Bounty Hunter"

    Cooper's superior speed and chin would lead him to a mid rounds stoppage win.
     
  8. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Telemundo had some great lighterweight title fights.

    One of my favorite fighters was Hilario Zapata, and his title fights were usually televised (usually on tape) on Telemundo.

    I think I leaned a little Spanish, just by osmosis. LOL.
     
  9. mr. magoo

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    LOL.. Believe it or not ( or perhaps you remember ) Ferdie Pacheco was fluent in Spanish and actually did some commentary work from time to time on Telemundo !!! Yes there were some great fights on there.
     
  10. Mendoza

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    Cooper if he's in shape wins it.

    If you haven't seen Jimmy Thunder vs Crawford Grimsley, do yourself a favor and watch it. It won't take long.
     
  11. RockyValdez

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    This would be a great great match. If Cooper came in shape and not high on crack he would win it. I think there would be a ton of knockdowns before either won though.
     
  12. Bonecrusher

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    Don't forget Prime Sports which in my Area gave us
    MSG Network
    Fight Night at the Great Western Forum
    They would also reshow ppv cards which was kind of irrelevant since I ordered all the PPVs but it was still cool .
    I remember they'd have lengthy shows pre shows before big fights.
    Then I remember getting all those Heavyweight Explosion cards with guys like Brewster, Ibeabuchi, Gary Bell, Rahman and many others in pro debuts and early on in development. I'm grateful to have grown up in the 80's - 90's boxing was all over the tube!!

    Like many of you have stated I agree with the opinion that Cooper "should" beat Thunder but if he's not right mentally Thunder would beat him. Cooper had great power and a solid beard (when he wanted to) I remember Cooper used to be brought into camps to emulate Tyson since he was of similar size. Many a fighter claimed Cooper the hardest puncher they ever fought.
     
  13. Bonecrusher

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    Solid stuff.. On point!
     
  14. mr. magoo

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    True. I think if they fought around 1992 Cooper would win.. If they fought in 1995, Thunder would win. If they fought while both were 100% ? Who knows?
     
  15. Bonecrusher

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    I know it's because of the Era we grew up in and I know it's because we saw them so frequently on TV, but I was and still am fascinated by all those characters we grew up watching.

    Completely obscure to most people, but guys like Terry Davis who knocked out Henry Tillman on a TNF card. Me and my friends who all taped the show and watched it every week knew the interviews and many of the fights inside and out because we loved it . Back to that Davis victory we used to always find that Davis post fight interview hilarious.. Because he was talking and he said "I'm not gonna bull**** ya man" this of course being long before the days when cussing was you know pretty much allowed on TV so if you heard it it was always hilarious and kind of a surprise and I remember Al and Sean after he said it being like God dude seriously come on..

    Another hilarious moment is when foreman in his last comeback fight before Holyfield against Terry Anderson I believe over In the UK.. Basiclly the entire camps for both fighters are just walking in front of Al and Sean while they're trying to give like a post fight wrap up about a minute after they finished interviewing foreman..., I can see it plain as day as well as hear Al Albert who was always a bit of a wise ass which I loved saying "and the whole crowd is taking us with them ". and then Sean being such a joker saying "let's go" I also remember Sean just like laughing uncontrollably while everyone was just walking in front of them as if they were completely unaware that there were cameras pointed at these two guys trying to call this fight..

    That's the good **** they lacked the production obviously of an HBO so you had more moments like that but it made it feel so real and raw and I loved it

    Who could ever forget the Rid**** Bowe/Rock Newman/Marc Roberts rumble outside the ring during a post fight interview... To which a sandwiched Al and Sean between the two camps had Al Albert saying we will be back with another man event after these messages and then Sean saying it may be us in the main event and laughing

    That's gold for me!!!!

    Nostalgia

    I'm so glad I still have all my old tapes I throw them in from time to time