Battle of the Boogeymans : Langford vs Ortiz

None of those guys are heavyweights

 

Wills was the number 1 heavyweight contender for about 7 years.
Jeannette was 190/200lbs , McVey 205/208lbs.If they aren't heavyweights then we have only had about 10 heavyweight champions .
No
Corbett
Fitzsimmons
Hart
Burns
Johnson
Dempsey
Tunney
Schmeling
Sharkey
Braddock
Louis
Charles
Walcott
Marciano
Patterson
Johannson
Frazier
Spinks L
Spinks M

ps You didnt answer my question.Never mind what great heavyweights did Ortiz beat,what very good ones did he beat? Which ones who were Ring ranked top5? Take your time,I'll be back tomorrow.

 

6'2, 210 lbs Harry Wills wasn't a HW? News to me.

 

Ortiz would've beaten him too.

 

Are you seriously asking a question like that in a history forum?

 

What?

 

Because he fought in modern era right? Because nobody with healthy eyes would tell you that Ortiz is sharper counterpuncher or that he has better technique. Langford looks amazing on film, Ortiz is a technically sound, but slow and limited counter puncher. The only thing he has on Langford is size and Sam dealt with that so many times that it's not a big factor.

 

So Ortiz's enormous size advantage would not be a big factor in this fantasy match-up? Ortiz is 6'4", 240 lbs... how many times did Sam deal with this type of opponent?

 

Wills, Jeannette and McVey

 

Langford beat:

5'10.5 and 210-220 lbs Sam McVea
6'2.5 and 220-240 lbs George Godfrey
6'2 and 210-220 lbs Harry Wills
6'1 and 210-230 lbs Bearcat Wright

Not to mention tons of big men of lesser quality. Being 6'4 and 240 lbs alone wouldn't help Ortiz.

 

Well why would I have wishful thinking in such an obscure matchup?

My fave heavyweight is Frank Bruno.

 

Ortiz would be too big, pick Langford apart from outside, push him back and put a beating on him. Langford is pretty much the size of Alvarez. Does anyone fancy Alvarez over Ortiz? If not, why not?

Or people watch them, know they aren't using good techniques and pick the boxer with better technique who happens to be modern. Different techniques evolved over different decades.

Then you have to factor in boxer participation. There's far more boxers in Ortiz's day than when Langford started boxing. When Langford started boxing the sport was illegal in many states. Ortiz mastered his art for years in the amateur program before even turning professional.

Also boxing with 4 ounce gloves in the 1910s is almost a different sport to boxing with 10 ounce gloves because of the gloves and rules.

 

So Ortiz has better technique than Langford? Based on what?

 

Apparently you didn't read my full post because the next paragraph is what you've just written.

 

Not sure I buy into this 'old vs modern' argument here. Although Luis Ortiz turned Pro much later (probably as he's Cuban), they were both born in 1886, so...