Battle of the Boogeymans : Langford vs Ortiz

Based on Langford being an stalking explosive brawler with no guard who kept his chin straight up in the air as he walked forward. And because he's on the front foot with a wide stance, he's in a terrible position to slip punches. He was exceptional at shifting bodyweight explosively to generate power. But his style would be generally described in boxing gyms to be 'swing from the fences'.

Where Ortiz is a master boxer, who doubles and trebbles his jab and used a high guard to effectively parry punches.

Now Langford may stand a chance if he was 6'0 and 220lbs. I could see a 6'0 220lb Langford beating Ortiz because Wilder managed it.

But he isn't and Alvarez is a bigger man than Sam Langford. What shot do you give Alvarez of beating Luis Ortiz?

 

I didn't mean you in particular!

Your question was: Why would anyone have a favourite in that matchup? I think it's safe to say, that in a forum like this, Sam would be the sentimental favourite.

 

Maybe, I don't really get that line of thinking tbh.

 

Langford had a full heavyweights upper body stuck on short legs

 

Langford had a full heavyweights upper body stuck on short legs.He also had genuine heavyweight power.

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What shot do you give Alvarez of beating Langford?

 

No guard? Langford used crossarm defense in available footabe and he used good head movement to stay away from outside jabs. He catched Jeannette jabs with his guard multiple times and he dogded or slipped a lot of them, so what you say about slipping punches is also wrong.

I think that we watch different footage, because I see Langford being sound defensively and he used different styles in different fights, so it's not like he was one dimensional.

Ortiz isn't "master boxer", he's decent counter puncher who is slow and with very limited stamina, although quite smart. Having high guard is not the only way to defend himself successfully.

Show me when Alvarez beat legit HW contenders. Or when Alvarez was even close to Langford in terms of abilities.

 

Langford had over 250 recorded fights he estimated it at nearer 300 and many of these were against great fighters of all sizes and styles.How many times did these holes in his ability see him stopped when he was near his prime ?
I see no advantage for Ortiz technically who actually hasn't beat anyone worth talking about!
You've seen Sam walking in hands down against opponents whose sting he had drawn in a couple of clips and assumed he fought like that against everyone,he didnt.

 

He only fought like that against Lang, he didn't keep his hands down against Jeannette.

 

Really? You don't think a lot of posters, interested in boxing history, will have a soft spot for old Sam? I would have thought, that was pretty much a given!

 

Who the hell ducked Ortiz?

 

Yeah but why would a soft spot lead to false analysis?

Liking someone is different to lying to yourself that they'd win.

 

Lang and Flynn .

 

It happens all the time! Look at the Marciano fanboys, who are convinced he would beat much bigger and stronger fighters like Liston and Foreman.

You can also think so little of today's boxers, that you get illogical ideas! Like, for example, that boxers such as Conn and Maxim would toy with Usyk before knocking him out. Or that Tommy Burns would defeat Wilder, Corbett would beat Tua, etc.

 

I see your point,but unlike those you mentioned Ortiz does not have a resume to suggest he beats all time great fighters,which leaves those picking him doing so only on the basis of size.
What are his 3 best wins, and where were those men rated?