Battle of the Boogeymans : Langford vs Ortiz

As I said before, it's not a line of thinking I understand tbh.

 

Well I don't think I'll ever be accused of being a " Rockista".

 

Why won't yourself or anyone else comment on how they see Alvarez doing against Ortiz? Alvarez is the same size as Langford. As a 5'7 man in his own era he naturally struggled with 6'2 plus men

This is what Langford does in all of his filmed bouts. He looks to land first or counter while leaving his chin out to dry as a trap.

Langford lost to Johnson, McVea and Wills. Wills easily beat him and when he beat Wills he was losing every second of the fight before a KO from behind. Fulton dominated and stopped him

Ortiz would be comparable to the size disadvantage he had against Fulton and Wills.

 

Against Flynn, he fought only on inside so it's a bit different game.

 

Alvarez is not similar to Langford in style, abilities, resume or anything else. Why do you bring him here?

He used plenty of head movement in Jeannette fight and he also used cross arm defense or one arms blocks. What are you watching?

Langford had no HW experience against Johnson.
Langford dominated McVea, McVea won only 2 of their 15 fights. Langford was past his prime in half of them too.
Again, Wills fought old, washed up Langford who was half-blinded. Same with Fulton.

 

You're right, Ortiz doesn't have a great resume, or great wins. But he's not a complete bum either, with no ability whatsoever. For sure, he's no Joe Louis, but a decent boxers, who knows what he's doing... and also big and strong with a punch.

If they were the same size, I have no doubt Sam would flatten him - but Ortiz has advantages in weight and height so enormous, that they just can't be dismissed as something that would be of no importance in this match-up.

Wills got the better of Sam in their long series - in no small part, I'm sure, due to him being so much bigger. If they had been the same size, Wills would likely have been dominated!

While Sam is much, MUCH the greater fighter, there comes a time, when even superior skills can't overcome huge physical disadvantages. I think this may be such a time!

 

Also, this is not true. Langford stopped Wills twice, once he fought through injury and the other one was a close contest until the knockout.

 

Or because Langford after 1916 was old, out of prime, half-blinded and not motivated anymore.
I'm sure that prime Langford would have done far better against Wills in a long series.

 

I'm sure he would - but throughout this thread you have acted, like size would be no problem at all for Sam. It's just silly to pretend, that Ortiz would be a walk in the park - though 8" taller and 50 lbs heavier!

 

No, I said that size alone wouldn't be enough to beat Langford because he dealt well with size disadvantage. He made his career on fighting against bigger fighters.
I never said that Langford would destroy him, it would be a good fight and dangerous one for both of them. I just think that Langford would beat Ortiz more times than not.

 

Fair enough!

 

Ortiz’s prime weight in like 235. That’s a lot bigger than those guys.

 

Gdofrey fought at that weight consistently and McVea reached 220 lbs without much problems.

 

This is how Godfrey looked next to 6'6 270 lbs Primo Carnera:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ID0AAOSw0kRbvoBl/s-l400.jpg

Are you going to tell me that this guy would be undersized today?

 

Against Fulton Langford severed the optic nerve in an eye.Wills easily beat a fat ,grossly overweight Langford who was described in that fight as a black butterball.