Battle of the Boogeymans : Langford vs Ortiz

I dont see that in his replies.

 

No he isnt a bum ,far from it as far as he is from being a great fighter,some thing he himself has never beaten ,or is likely to ever do so.And anyone saying Ortiz is past prime now should look up Langford's age for many of his losses,and the fact that he was half blind!

 

No, he didn't use those exact words - but he did say (#22), that Sam was so used to dealing with size, that it wouldn't be a big factor. Which I take to mean, that he would have no problem with Ortiz. And this is where I disagree... when you're as big and strong as Ortiz, surely size would be a major factor against a MUCH smaller opponent (no matter how great!).

 

Are you talking about 1-0 Godfrey or 7-3-1 Godfrey? And this is a legitimate comparison how?

 

I take your point.

 

What are the rules/distance/ref? Since there's no specifications, I'm going with the space in the middle. 15 rounds, 70s era rules, equipment and referees.

Anyway, this is a good match up which I'm having struggle picking. On the one hand, Ortiz is much, much bigger. 50lbs at any weight is a huge mountain to overcome, even for Sam Langford. On the other, Langford is so much better/greater.

Good arguements from both sides, but little talk about how the fight would actually go down. I think Ortiz would probably out-box Sam, since a southpaw with a reach, height and weight advantage is a very hard prospect for anyone. However, Langford looks like an amazing pressure counter-puncher, I think he'd keep on Ortiz and line up his right hand. Like I said, the happy medium of era difference is fifteen rounds, which I happen to think is the best time length for fantasy fights.

Langford's pressure, power and Ortiz's tendancy to gas out, combined with the longer distance wins this for him IMO. So I'm going with Langford KO, since that's what he did. And he KOed better men than Ortiz.

 

Godfrey became top contender quickly after Langford fights. Who did Ortiz exactly beat to be compared to Godfrey?

 

Not only is Langford way too small , but his style is also Kongs bread n butter

I think Kong would pepper Sam with the kitchen sink and walk away with a stoppage victory.

 

How can you say that? How many elite counter punchers did Ortiz face? How many ATG punchers did he beat? How often did he beat someone so much faster and so much more refined?

 

A guy like Sam can't shake off a punch from a guy like Kong.

 

Stamina aspect is overlooked here, Langford had stoppages at all possible points of long, 20 round fights. Ortiz usually gasses after a few rounds and his fights with Wilder were far from full of action.

 

Why? He did that against more proven punchers than him.

 

Like who?

 

Sam McVea and Harry Wills. Even George Godfrey was more proven than Ortiz.

 

Agreed. Langford, like all of the best heavyweights before the Walker Law, had bags of stamina. Whilst Ortiz was definitely old for Wilder, what else would be his prime? Jennings? It hardly seems fair to have ONE high-level fight as someone's prime.

Langford is like an enigma to me. He looks really good on the limited film we have of him, but he's said to have mastered multiple methods of fighting and we can assume that he used his long reach at range whilst fighting welterweights and middleweights and he obviously adopted a clever pressure style where he'd create and exploit openings on offence.