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No I'm just taking **** about Froch's place just yet(!). If you say Bradley, then what about Ward???Or even Abraham??

 

I don't think Calderon has been at the top of his game since 2006. It says something about him that he's still won all these fights but if he was in a deep division fighting fighters that would be in and around these rankings themselves it might be a different story. He's struggled with Cazares a few times, wasn't at his sharpest against Diepa, Mayol or Esquer. I can see a shock loss in his future. No real surprise though...he is 34 years old and years of being the little man probably takes its toll.

 

Calderon could do with finishing a fight - it's been a while

In all seriousness, I've not followed his recent career all that thoroughly, but there is a trend of cut stoppages - what are the circumstances?

This rule seems to be too flexible and needs clarification IMO.

 

To be fair it's rare you have a Chang/Zapata in the same division at the same time. Calderon can beat Viloria and solidify his status, I'd prefer him to move up and fight KOKI KAMEDA!!!!!!!!!

 

The First Cazares fight i thought was the best Calderon i had seen, every since the 2nd one though i have sort of been waiting on him to get beat. Each fight after he has got less and less impressive. Taken into account though he hasn't went the full 12 in a year or so due to that cut he keeps getting.

Segura & Viloria are two fights that have to be made with Calderon and im not 100% sure he can win them. Also think he could move back down a weight he looks very flabby but i only see that happen if he gets beat.

 

Ward looks p4p material and I'd be surprised if he isn't very soon but we should hold off a little IMO. Kessler was a great win but its a similar case to Donaire, one swallow and all that. It gets messy if we put guys in there for one worthy win. The rankings have more credibility if its truely earnt, that way you don't get new guys coming in every other week and guys falling out of the reckoning due to a single loss. I mean it becomes more of a list of 'guys with a good win recently' than p4p.

Bradley has wins over 3 recent world champs in his last 5 outings, thats where the credibility and consistency is coming from rather than just one single event. Theres a trend that says Bradley deserves it.

 

I think Segura would be a big threat also. Moving up might be a bit much for Calderon he doesn't look like a light flyweight looks very chubby or something a bit like Napa... I must be coming off as a skinny **** saying this

A move down and clearing out Gonzales and a few other guys down there would be a decent move if he is beaten.

 

Segura is dangerous but beatable; good fight :good

 

Didn't Calderon get battered in the 11th though? And dropped? Or am I tripping?

 

Your right i think i remember him being dropped but also thought he came on strong at the end not seen the fight in a long time. Just thought at times in that fight Calderon boxed really well. Especially as D-Mac said Cazares was number one to claderon at the time and he couldn't really get anything off on him for a majority of the fight.

I thought it was a bit clearer to Calderon than the judging had it unless i've got fights mixed up. Was this on setanta??

 

I'm not disputing tat Calderon is really good; I'm a fan:good

Just trying to figure out if I'd got my fights mixed up mate

 

No problem i was just making sure i had the right fight as well

Either way this is a good thread its been a while since the brit forum had a good debate

 

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