Be honest. How bias do you think the Super 6 has been?

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Possibly a done to death subject, but the competiton has not ended yet.
    Be honest. How bias do you think the Super 6 has been?

    Now be honest and not a typical fanboy.

    1. Out of the 6 original S6 members all of them travelled to a foreign country except A Ward. Bias?

    2. Out of the two finalists (Froch and Ward) Froch has had to fight away 3 times, Ward has been at home for his 3 S6 fights. Bias?

    3. When Dirrell dropped out, Ward was just given 2 S6 points. For the other fighters a replacement was found for them to fight whilst Ward was given a pass. Bias?

    4. The final is in America whilst Froch is having to travel to another country for the 4th time in a row. Bias? (
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    5. Ward has had all of his fights so far in his home state. Bias? (
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    Now be honest and answer
     
  2. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    Yeah Ward has had a pretty easy time with some of the decisions

    However Froch WAS beaten by Dirrell so he can't complain
     
  3. JASPER

    JASPER Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Are you saying each side had no idea of what they where getting into before they entered the tournament?

    I would not call it BIAS, rather stupid management on the side of Froch or great management by Ward side!

    On a side note I dislike Ward and his stupid "SOG" tag more than I dislike Froch
     
  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Froch wasnt beaten by Dirrell.
    Froch outlanded Dirrell, won more rounds and even Boxing News and The Ring mag scored for Froch.
    But even if you think Froch won, does that nulify 5 points I noted. That was one fight where Froch would have still gone through to the next round and his next 4 fights were all away fights
     
  5. Flash Jab

    Flash Jab Boxing Junkie banned

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    I think it comes more down to Ward himself than the tournament, and Froch getting ****ed over. The final stages were always going to be held in America, but it's pathetic how Ward wouldn't leave his shitass state and Froch's opponents all wanted to fight on their turf, Dirrell excluded. The Glen Johnson fight should've definitely been in the UK.
     
  6. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    I didn't like how Ward got the points against Bika, whether it was a bye or not.

    But overall, the two boxers who deserve to be in the final, are there.
     
  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Im not saying anything, im asking others opinions.

    I would say that I doubt the fighters knew before the tournament that if someone pulls out that they would have to fight a replacement but Ward would be just given 2 points if a fighter pulls out.
    I seem to think Froch thought it was going to be every other fight away except the final
     
  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah but look at the difference of what had to be done to get there. It must be wearing to have to pack up and travel 4 times in a row compared to once. Also remember how Froch was given major travel probs for the Kessler fight
     
  9. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The only way Goossen was willing to sign Ward up for S6 if he got the advantages. Showtime needed 3 Americans with the talented Gold Medalist leading the pack, so Hershman persuaded all other promoters to give Goossen what he wanted. They knew what they signed for, 3 hometown bouts for Ward and the semis and final in the US was all in the contract.

    Quite interesting that Hershman left Showtime before his tournament was over.
     
  10. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    I thought it was more of an issue, but I think it has actually benefited Froch in the long run, especially considering the Final is still away from home. I also believe Froch has improved and gained invaluable experience in his travels, something he would not have done if all his bouts were based at home. He may have become content fighting in front of his fans continually.
     
  11. Normen Bates

    Normen Bates Member Full Member

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    Andre Ward hasn't had to travel, but I don't think the Super Six has showed him any type of favoritism. Initially, it was in his contract that he wouldn't travel anywhere to else fight, it was in the very first Fight Camp 360, and everyone else agreed to it that way, so If the other fighters didn't make it an issue then I'm not going to.

    Andre Ward got the toughest fighter in the first round, was scheduled to face Jermaine Taylor, but ended up fighting Allen Green. Was scheduled to face Andre Dirrell, but ended up having to take an out of tournament bout with a guy good enough to be in the Super Six. Out of all the Super Six contestants he's the only fighter that had to face three opponents he never planed on fighting at the beginning of this entire tournament.
     
  12. doylexxx

    doylexxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    this is Frochs issue,

    If he was a seller at home he could bargain more, he couldnt even get on UK prime tv, he has managment issues and bad promotion
     
  13. richie leon

    richie leon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think 'the tournament' as an entity of it's own is or has been biased. The people who put the tournament together didn't create the boxing culture that exists and they didn't put the sport in the state in which it has been for the longest.

    Fact is, any promoter is gonna let his fighter fight at home as often as he can get away with, and any good promoter is gonna try to put a fight in the arena and the area where it sells the most tickets. This is nothing new, it's a logic that has always been applied to boxing.

    Yes, it is unfair that Ward has fought all of his super six fights in his home state and that he'll fight the final in the US (although i don't AC is significantly further away from Nottingham than it is from Oakland)- and this is coming from a Ward fan. But what are the Super Six organizers supposed to do about that?

    It's the promoters' job to negotiate fights and where they will take place, and if the promoters of Ward' opponents didn't play the game as well as Dan Goossen did, then how is that to be held against Ward?

    As for Ward not having to fight a replacement when Dirrell withdrew, well he already fought a replacement in Allan Green, and there's only so many replacements they can conjure up for these situations, besides, wasn't Ward already qualified for the semi's by then? And let's not forget, he still chose to defend his belt against a tough opponent in Sakio Bika when he didn't officially have to.

    Bottom line: The Super Six tournament is no more biased than boxing already is in and of itself, and the fighters are not to be blamed for this.
     
  14. richie leon

    richie leon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But the first time someone pulled out of the tournament it was Taylor who was scheduled to fight Ward, and Ward wasn't "just given 2 points", he had to beat Allan Green for them. OK, he caught a break when he got 2 points when Dirrell pulled out, but they can't just open up a drawer and pull out a replacement fighter everytime someone pulls out. It's not Ward's fault either that he had an opponent pull out twice in a row, AND he still chose to fight a tough opponent.
     
  15. Gander Taco

    Gander Taco Active Member Full Member

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    dis fight gun be well funnz