Be honest. How bias do you think the Super 6 has been?

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  1. BatTheMan

    BatTheMan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The initial promotors agreement stipulated, AFAIK, that both the final and semis was to be staged in the US. It was also known that Ward was to have all his groupstagefights in Oakland. Nothing new here.

    It might be a bias towards the yanks in general and Ward in particular, but it's not like it wasn't known when the contract where signed.
     
  2. Sidious

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    that's a fact only if you look at boxrec and judge by it.if you consider the circumstances of the fight it is more complex.the tournament went bad because of the many injuries.i don't think Ward vs Taylor was to happen in California.but with Taylor retired they had little options.And you can argue all you want about the Kessler fight but the alternative was Kessler vs Ward in Denmark and Dirrell vs Froch in Michigan.Ward was a golden olympian and a much better name than Dirrell so they wanted their best fighter at a reasonable hour in US.it's all about money.if you want fairness you make a pyramid tournament in Tokyo,like in K1..but then again those guys earn 300k after an entire season of wins,but it is fair.....
     
  3. Man09

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    It was a good thing for boxing but i cant call it the best tournament ever like some say.
    Few Facts S6 was actually S8 or S9.
    They tried to present it like they were the best 6 supermiddleweights in the division and it wasnt true.
    Ward and Dirrell were 2 prospects.
    Kessler and Froch 2 of the best legitimate calling.
    Taylor and Green lets say 2 contenders.
    Replacements ...
    It was a tournament build up to draw atention from general public and make Ward known it wasnt designed for hardcore fans.
     
  4. s.i.mustata

    s.i.mustata Active Member Full Member

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    FACT: Dan Goossen never had any intention of making Ward travel to get a title shot

    "Right now we are looking to fight for the world championship. This fight [with Miranda] puts Andre side by side with every champion out there. Froch just had his mandatory against [Jermain] Taylor and quite frankly we don’t believe that we are going to get Bute out of Montreal. One of the champions we would like to focus on is Karoly Balzsay,"

    source :

    http://www.wbo-europe.com/news/andre-ward-could-be-looking-at-a-karoly-balzsay-fight/

    Now, Paul Williams is with Goossen Tutor promotions...
     
  5. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Unbelieveable. Bute is champ and makes money in Canada but they would have expected him to travel rather than, travel to face the champ :-(
     
  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Good post. I thought this initially. Abraham had done very little at SMW.
    Overall the contest has been good, but it has made idiots believe that the winner has done something ground breaking in terms of competition, which they havent, even if they have done well, ie

    If Froch wins he would have beaten Dirrell who hadnt done anything, lost to Kessler coming off a defeat, beaten AA who has no real SMW pedigree coming off a loss, beaten G Johnson who has done nothing at SMW and hasnt been more than a journeyman at the weight, then Ward which would be a good win

    If Ward wins he will have scored a good win over Kessler, then its Green who has done nothing at SMW, Bika (not a S6 fight) who was beaten clearer by Bute and Calzaghe, Abraham coming off of 2 clear S6 defeats (not a good win at all at this time), Froch which would be a good win but not as good as the Kessler win he already has.

    I know this sounds harsh but it is correct.

    If Kessler had of chosen not to relinquish his title when he was injured the S6 would have lost alot of its appeal with just one title and Froch not being WBC champ.
    This proves that titles sell alot of boxing matches
     
  7. RobertV77

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    Froch was beaten by Dirrell. There is very little controversy about that. If some reporter for either of those mags saw it differently it just points out they cannot score a fight. I really don't believe the publication had an official opinion on the matter and your too big of a douche too take seriously. Get one of your alts in here to agree with you.
     
  8. RobertV77

    RobertV77 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    SMW is a shitty division with a short history and almost no historically significant "Champions". Promoters kept adding weight classes until everyone with a pulse had a "title". Corruption in GB and Germany is so bad most fights are little more than staged excuses for fans to ware track suits and get drunk.
     
  9. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Robert, you are ESBs biggest *****. What are you doing on a mans thread?:lol:.
    You obviously dont read Boxing News or The Ring mag as if you did, you would know they both favoured Froch, who outlanded Dirrell. You must be one dim f#ck not to think these boxing publications would have an opinion on a world title fight :lol::patsch. Thick piece of sh#t Robert :yep
    Blows: Froch 153/475 32%; Dirrell 105/315 33%. :good.

    Now robert why dont you ring up The Ring mag and ask them to change their scorecard to suit your agenda :hi:
     
  10. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    With that in mind Robert remember that Jones JNR spent more time at SMW than MW
    Toney spent more time at SMW than MW or LHW
    Nunn spent more time SMW than MW or LHW

    :lol::hi:

    Too easy with you Robert
     
  11. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    patently absurd statistics, you've obviously never seen the fight. Dirrell was repeatedly tattooing Froch with headshots and had him hurt in both the 10th and 11th rounds. Dirrell was at one point measuring him up as Froch staggered backwards against the ropes, disoriented and reeling after taking a big left hand to the face*.

    Froch failed to land a single meaningful punch in the entire match, Dirrell received a dubious point deduction (considering Froch was never penalized for repeated rabbit punches and gratuitous body slams), and looked confused and frustrated throughout.

    * please refer to 5:05 if you doubt my characterization.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1hHNbHGegQ&feature=related[/ame]
     
  12. fatcity

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    Dirrel-Froch was a close one,despite what Froch believes.I had Andre up by 2 points but good old home cooking leveled that field.
     
  13. Brownies

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    I've always liked the double standards concerning "home" fights. When a fighter from Florida fight a russian in Vegas, it's not an home fight. When the same Floridian goes to fight the guy in Moscow, even though the guy is from St-Petersburg, the russian is fighting at home... because the USA are clearly the only country in the world to have things such as states or provinces.

    Damn, Bute is from Romania and he's getting more crap than Ward for fighting at home... in Montreal of all places ! I get it, everyone should fight in the US, even tough guys like Hopkins, Ward and Bradley can't sell tickets.
     
  14. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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  15. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Good post