Beating Ortiz and Fury consecutively:ATG HW acheivement

Once he gets the body on his record he will become ATG.

 

A bit too much ass kissing is given to Joshua for Joshua's ability to be pursued.

A bit too much disrespect is given to Wilder for Wilder's inability to be pursued by anyone.

Joshua's a *****, but he does have a good resume. Wilder's fearless, but he hasn't seen much to be scared of.

Most of Joshua's fame is predicated on Europe being insecure about the implications of America taking over a sport they created and dominating that sport for over a century.

Most of Wilder's disrespect is predicated on the world making Dixie an international joke for over a century.

Yes, now Europeans can tell me all about how Vegas is in America so Americans have connections like we're just one big anti-euro circle jerk over here while my fellow Americans try to pretend like making 20 mil to fight no hopers doesn't mean anything because America just shits money and pisses markets.

On one hand you have a pansy ass ***** for a champion. On the other hand you have an idiot who can barely speak for a champion. The pansy *****-boy champ has pansy ***** boy fans who think **** like " But him A-Side doe" is a good reason to duck while the dumb as **** champion's dumb as **** fans say **** like " It's a 50/50 fight doe" like that rationalizes not bending over backwards to get it done.

Pick your side and be happy you're not a *****, or be happy you're not an idiot, but don't go telling me you support anthony joshua and you ain't a *****, you is son, you is, and don't go telling me being a deontay wilder fan don't make you a dumb ****, yeah it do.

What you thought your affinity for seeing men clobbered to sleep was some intellectualism did you? You thought your ability to rationalize avoidance made you something other than a tinkerbell did you?

You know what that makes all of yas? Yeah me too. We are just a big gaggle of mooks ain't we? Maybe you pussies ought to grow a nut and meet halfway. Maybe you dumbshits ought to crack open a book that isn't based on a television show or written by a politician.


You stupid pussies that youse are.

 

Quality rant.

 

Sparring rumours are worth the square root of **** all though surely? A boxer can be within their ideal weight range but still lack the fitness that's required at the highest level. My concern with Fury isn't that he makes a decent weight, it's that 8 or 9 rounds into a testing contest against a genuine threat he's going to find that the reserves that were once there aren't available and his punch resistance has gone along with them...

 

But against what level of opposition? How can you make a valid assessment of Fury's return when he's facing someone who Kevin Johnson beat a year ago? I've just seen the weigh in video and Pianeta looks like he retired a few years ago and neglected to inform anyone. Of course Fury is going to roll him over, the guy is there to fulfill that role, but what will we really learn?

 

Seriously lets clarify ATG - All time Great - i.e one of the best over the 120+ years of the division ! To get there you need to regularly beat top 5s in the division for many years. Wilder has beaten 1 top 5 who was clearly well past his prime (Ortiz). He's a looooong way to get to ATG.

 

Yeah if Wilder/Fury is legit then the idea of Wilder fighting Whyte is ludicrous. Fury is likely more lucrative and brings far more to the table than Whyte even if Fury is shot.

 

With all that we know about him Parker is not really a top 5 heavyweight and never was.

If we go by ratings, Stiverne in 2015 should also be a top 5 win because he was ranked top 5 by Ring Magazine
and was the WBC champion.

Going purely by ratings Wilder has 2 top 5 wins in Stiverne and Ortiz and Aj has 2 top 5 wins in Wlad and Parker.

 

Are you for ****ing real?

What happened to evaluating quality of opposition faced when deciding ones place historically?
How does beating Ortiz and/or drug addict who’s presence in the ring alone is a mockery of the sport elevate someone, who’s fought nothing but bums, even if not always trough his own choice since there is a significant lack of career defining fights to be made at HW, to an All Time Great status?

And don’t make this into “yeah but Joshua...” conversation, what AJ has or hasn’t done doesn’t affect Wilder at all, it’s the fighters already on ATG list who he’s got to be measured against and there he fails miserably.