Because theres a lot of Floyd vs Pac-man talk...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Phoenix_E3, Jul 2, 2011.


  1. Casa

    Casa Flomo Pactard Full Member

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    Why do you end every sentence with an ellipsis? One period is enough.
     
  2. NorthernCross

    NorthernCross Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Post deleted. I'm just really grumpy this morning.
     
  3. Phoenix_E3

    Phoenix_E3 New Member Full Member

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    yes i know that which is why i pointed out oscar larios...pacquiao made him go up from bantamweight to super flyweight for their title fight...now...floyd was penalized for that too...but be honest...did he use his size against marquez? or his ability?..also pacquiao came in overweight for a fight in the past too and was penalized by having to wear heavier gloves...anything else?
     
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  5. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    this is actually ignorant joyboy reasoning. the mere fact that you are in the ring that you outsize means that you will have more punch resistance and will be more stronger than your opponent. pac came in overweight because he was growing as a teen and not because he intended to cheat his opponent like floyd did. pac tried to sweat it off while floyd didn't and pac was forced a heavier gloves while floyd didn't. see the comparison?

    and comparing the pac-larios fight to floyd- jmm was absolutely horse****. larios is big for a 122 pounder and is actually planning to move-up already and pac had just moved from 126 to 130 (not super fly as you mentioned). basically they are from the same divison just 20 months before pac moved-up to 130 and larios have fought at feather and super-feather before.
     
  6. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    :rofl

    Typical reply of a stan.

    Great facts brought to our attention by the author.:good
     
  7. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    You ignorant little **** you have shown your lack of basic knowledge once again.

    Since when has size equated to better punch resistance. :tired

    Reagrdless of whether he was a teen or not he was still a professional fighter, if he took all these factors into account and was going to ***** about everything that didnt go his way loss he should have waited a little longer before turning pro.

    My socks itch, i have no cleto reyes gloves, give me a ****ing break:thumbsup
     
  8. puga_ni_nana

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    1. if you are using compubox as a statement of fact, then you don't know much how to score the game.
    2. assuming you insisted on compubox, a fight is scored on a round per round basis and if you check this, pac has outlanded jmm in 6 rounds while jmm in 5 rounds. round3 where jmm was floored has an even number of punches landed. percentage doesn't tell the whole story like who hit the harder effective shots since it would make clottey the winner over pacquiao easily.
    3. if you are complaining about the ring super featherweight belt that pac won over marquez, that fight was also for the WBC superfeather weight title which was not vacant. more importantly marquez was also the lineal champion at 130.


    that was the WBC International 130 belt. :lol: i don't know why are you crying over a supposedly minor belt?
     
  9. puga_ni_nana

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    :lol: are you really that ******ed?

    when you are fighting someone much bigger than you, of course your opponent will a have a better punch resistance relative to your size and strength. if you are fighting someone close to your size, they will feel the effect of your punches more than fighting a guy who is bigger than you.

    did you even read my post? floyd intentionally weighed over and cheated his opponent without sweating it off. pac was growing fast as a teen, failed to make weight but tried to sweat it off. one guys is hell-bent on cheating his opponent, the other one tried to rectify it and was forced to wear a bigger gloves as penalty.
     
  10. Phoenix_E3

    Phoenix_E3 New Member Full Member

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    now you say margarito is noteable...ok at that time margarito had the WBO championship belt...but look at Baldomir...baldomir beat judah who was recognized as the undisputed welterweight champ at the time coming off a win by stoppage, not only that but baldomir was the 10-1 underdog...and WON (he just didnt pay sanctioning fees for the other belts) so baldomir was the undisputed welterweight champ if you want to be technical about it cant take it away just because he didnt want to end up paying more than he would've made for the fight just for the sake of having belts...then he beat gatti...

    floyd fought him over margartio...so can that be considered ducking?

    and paul williams are you serious? when williams started off at 156 and had even been up to 160...so floyd shouldve gone up and fought a guy walkin around at 20lbs more than him...does that make sense?!?! but then people wanna complain about floyd v marquez and the weight (but not pacquiao vs larios even though pacquiao made him come up a few weight classes) how were they going to make that happen? who was williams at the time? he didnt even have a major title when floyd got to that class floyd moved up and faught mitchell in that nov. williams had a fight in dec. they both had fights that next april AND williams had a fight the NEXT MONTH then that nov. floyd fought baldomir who shouldve been recognized as undisputed welterweight champ (were it not for the sanctioning fees) and williams had a fight that same day too. then floyd fought de la hoya 2MONTHS before williams fought margarito and got his FIRST major title other ones he had were the USNBC and NABO titles...who pays attention to those? THEN floyd fought hatton and williams lost his title then had a rematch to get it back before moving up to 157 but floyd went on a leave then...so even then williams couldnt have fought him...and you wanna complain about floyd taking off that time?..what about de la hoya being gone 20months?

    how were tszyu and mayweather going to fight...mayweather had just moved up to 140 and fought corley in his 1st figth at that weight in may and tszyu then fought sharba mitchell that november...the next jan. mayweather fought bruselles, then tszyu fought hatton and was retired in june so when were they going to fight?!!? floyd had just reached that weight class and tszyu was retired by hatton ONE YEAR after that...so what floyd was supposed to all of a sudden get a title shot against the undisputed champ immediately he entered the class??? floyd fought corley and bruseles for the WBC eliminator in that class then went to fight gatti for the title...how is it floyds fault he moves up to a weight and people expect him to fight the guy who unified the belts when he isnt even in contention status and the guy retires a year later...

    as for fighting hatton at that time floyd moved up to 147 after the gatti fight and fought sharba mitchell then zab judah and then thats where people are saying he should've fought margarito BUT INSTEAD he went to fight the guy who just beat the undisputed welterweight champ as i stated above...so when would he fight hatton at that point or margarito...then he fought de la hoya...
     
  11. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    You actually believe that drivel you type.

    Nobody cares if he was a teen or not, if he wasnt ready for the man game he should never have turned pro, stop making excuses.
     
  12. Phoenix_E3

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    ok...since we want to talk about going up in weight...who said you have to knock a person down...ko...or hurt them to win a fight?

    look at roy jones jr...went up from 175 to 193 thats 18lbs to fight john ruiz for his first and only heavyweight fight for the title in which HE WON even though ruiz outweighed him by OVER 33lbs...vs floyd who had marquez come up 8lbs n outweighed him by 4...if marquez won NOBODY would be saying a thing about weight not only
     
  13. puga_ni_nana

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    i'm not even making excuses, i'm just stating facts. pac was driven on the boxing world as a teen to survive and earn a living. he was not raised on a formal and world class boxing training like floyd had and hs no luxury of people looking for his well being and being matched in his proper weight like floyd have.
     
  14. puga_ni_nana

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    no, if marquez won it would be a big accomplishment since:
    1. he is not proven at welter.
    2. he had jumped 2 divisions from 135.
    3. he won even after floyd ignored the catchweight of 144.

    comparing floyd to ruiz is actually laughable. also jones was given credit for the feat even though ruiz was not the top heavyweight at that time.
     
  15. FORMIDABLE

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    Floyd could've fought them all if he wanted to. Regarding Tszyu, Tszyu said they tried to make the Mayweather fight when he fought Hatton on an Australian TV show, but Mayweather wanted all the money and that's why he took the money Hatton offerred, going into Hatton's backyard. Floyd ended up fighting Gatti, a much less skilled champion, won't go down as a great win. Tszyu win would have. Cotto was also a champ in the division, he would also have been a much better win than Gatti, they were both TR fighters, it could've been made if he wanted it.

    He could have fought Hatton after both won 140 titles, but only did two years later at 147, and didn't get the credit he deserved that he would've if it had been at 140. Again, his fault, his choosing.

    Ok, yes Baldo was lineal champ, even if Margo was the better and more established champ. Mayweather got the lineal title, but not much for his legacy, Margarito would've been more respected and better win, and Arum made it public he wanted to make that fight. In any case he could have fought Margo or Cotto instead of Marquez, why not? What was the point of fighting Marquez?

    And he should be fighting Pac instead of Ortiz. I'm ignoring the vacation time, he's entitled to a break, it's his life, even if it was a clear waste of his prime.

    I didn't say he ducked Paul Williams, there was never any serious calls for that fight, he's just a notable fighter Floyd didn't fight that would've been a significant win, which he is lacking at 147, besides Mosley.