Been watching Henry Armstrong hilights.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by ripcity, Feb 17, 2011.


  1. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I decided to watch Henry Armstrong hilights. I have to say I'm impesed. His stats alone are great. Three weight champion. Long time champion at 147. If you read my posts you might notice that I tend to like boxers who use the outside. That have great defense. That use their brain as much as their fists. I tend not to like at least from an analytical prespictive the more agrisive boxers that Armstrong was. I still think his style has limits and would not pick him to beat a world class defensive minded boxer who can keep the distance. However I think he is heads over heals better than any agresive style boxer such as Duran, Chavez Sr. and Pacquiao.
    What I saw that gave me a new aprication for Homicide Hank was not his famous offense but his defense. He had great head movement. I was more impresed with how few times he got hit. Than I was with how often he was able to hit.
    I don't know if I would make him a top 10 defensive boxer but I think I would consider him when making a list. I would rank him above Duran and Chavez who get a lot of credit for their defenses.
    Also I have never really considered him for my P4P top 10. The first 4 spots are solid but the 5-10 spots change all the time. Before I did not despite the stats consider him for my ever changing top 10. I would put him in my top 15 which makes him a top 10 possibility.
     
  2. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm unsure how anyone COULDN'T have him in their top ten. I'd like to see the list of the 10 that beat him out for that honor.
     
  3. Boxed Ears

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    :lol::lol::lol: ...:rofl...A man that rates Pernell number 2 on his all-time p4p list, he's just now decided to...errr take a look at Hank Armstrong, whom he's never considered for his top ten list. :lol:
     
  4. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, he would rip Mayweather a new one.
     
  5. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    BE, how can you take seriously that posters placing Whitaker as #2 P4P,and
    "considering" Henry Armstrong for a "possible" top ten spot.? Some people can not see past their nose in boxing history.For gosh sakes Hammerin Hank had over 180 bouts,against bigger opposition.He fought more fights in 18 months against great fighters than Pernell did in his ENTIRE career.
    Throw away the record book. Some posters don't read it...Cheers...
     
  6. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    :huh Do laughing emoticons not show up on your computer, Burt? I was pretty clearly laughing about that opinion...I thought I was being clear, anyway. :conf
     
  7. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree with you about Armstrong's limitations, however I'm not sure why you rate him over Duran, Duran looks technically better, looks to be superior defensively (less predictable head movement), works behind a jab, a better puncher, could box on the backfoot and counter or apply pressure. Overall a far more complete boxer
     
  8. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Whitaker, Mayweather and Duran all emphatically dominate the Fritzie Zivic leftover :yep
     
  9. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    ...Do you mean by the time he was a Zivic leftover? :think
     
  10. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    i'd say armstrong's head movement is very unpredictable, IMO his head slips are the best eve
     
  11. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He was a Joe Frazier with one big difference: he has the far more versatile attack.....power with both hands, Left hook, uppers, right hand blackout punch, vicious body work......
     
  12. Manassa

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    To stifle the various fire breathing Ray Robinson supporters who'll always oppose me for rating Henry Armstrong number one, I keep these references stored as ammunition:

    Armstrong went 59-1-1 (51) from '37 to '40, spanning three classic weight classes. Both the loss and draw were controversial, and at one point he scored twenty seven knockouts in a row. Eighteen of his nineteen title defences came at welterweight, although of course, Armstrong was never a true welterweight and often fought heavier opponents. Sandwiching his three year run were pre and post periods of not-quite-so-spectacular but nevertheless still Hall of Fame worthy fighting against numerous contenders and fellow Hall of Famers. Armstrong remained at or near the top for a shorter time than some greats, perhaps owing to his give-all style and what seemed at times to be reckless abandon, however, he beat more rated contenders than Archie Moore, Willie Pep, Roberto Duran, Ezzard Charles and even Ray Robinson himself.
     
  13. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    With the expection of being to fight better on the back foot. In my opion Armstrong was better than Duran. This includs his defense and head movement.
     
  14. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think both Whitaker and Mayweather would beat him but dominate? I think to dominateyou need to win 9 out 12 rounds or 11 out of 15 rounds. I don't see that happening though. I think Armstrong would beat Duran. It would be closer at 135 and can see the posibility of it going either way. At 147 Armstrong would win.
     
  15. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    yeah but whitaker was on pros vs joes and competed at a very advanced age did armstrong ever do such a thing NO :deal