Been watching Lewis fights, and man-o-man!

I don't see how Ali would beat Lewis. Ali is ahead in accomplishment, but H2H? Lewis was fast and moved very well for a big guy. His chin was better than most people think, he took some good shots from Briggs, Mercer, Vitali. Not a great chin, but better than Joe Lewis. I serioulsy believe that Vitali had the body type and style to be tougher opponent for Lewis than many fighters who had far greater careers than Vitali. Foreman would have no size or strength advantage, could not bully Lewis and without that, he was mediocre (I feel that Foreman is often underrated BTW). Tyson as a chance, but he said he was shocked when he felt Lewis's power, I would still favor Lewis, bigger, better boxer, probably not intimidated by Tyson. The current Wlad could probably put up a good fight, I would slightly favor Lewis, but like winning 6 out of 10.

 

Are you kidding? Wladimir is 31 years old.

He has already been WBO Champ, is the current IBF Champ, #1 ranked heavyweight in the World by Ring mag... and has already beat...

Chris Byrd (twice) (longest standing heavyweight Champion and ranked #1 heavyweight in the world by ring mag when Wlad knocked him out)

Sam Peter (undeated Top Contender when Wlad beat him)

Calvin Brock (undefeated Top contender when Wlad beat him)

Jameel McCline (Solid top 10 heavyweight when Wlad beat him)

Lamon Brewster (Top ten ranked Contender... mandatory defense)

Ray Austin (manditory, was #1 ranked by IBF)

Monte Barrett (very good prospect at the time)

Frans Botha

Ray Mercer

Axel Schulz

TOS

.... ect... NEXT FIGHT COMING UP IS A UNIFICATION FIGHT AGAINST THE UNDEFEATED IBRAGIMOV.

At a young 31 years old... YOU THINK THAT IS A WEAK RESUME?

Let's take a look at where Lewis was at 31 years old.

Lewis had been WBC Champion before being stopped by Oliver McCall.... he had beat...

Razor Ruddock - Who was ranked highly at the time, although hindsight shows us that Ruddock never was that good. He was also coming off of two losses to Tyson the year before.

Ray Mercer - in a highly disputed decision... was also coming off of a loss when he fought Lewis.

Frank Bruno - who by that time had been knocked out three times before he fought Lewis.

Tommy Morrison - Good win, but we all know Morrison's flaws.

Tony Tucker - good win


So, as you can see... other than a couple of fights, he beats guys with names who were in downtimes during their careers, and hadn't faced competition any tougher than Wladimir Klitschko has by the time he was 31 years old. He wasn't out there beating undefeated top contenders, and #1 ranked ring mag heavyweights.

Wladimir sits at a higher status at 31 years of age, than Lewis did at the same age. Along with those facts, there is the fact that there were 6 top fighters in that era.... Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, Moorer, and Foreman. Don't you think that is sort of odd that they all fought each other during the primes of their careers (outside of Tyson who went to prison).... except for Lewis? LENNOX LEWIS DID NOT BEAT ONE SINGLE TOP 5 FIGHTER OF HIS ERA DURING THEIR PRIME! Hell, he only fought two of them all together. An Old Tyson and an Old Holyfield, who had already been through wars in their careers and weren't close to being the same, preserved fighter that Lewis was at that advanced age. People can make all of the excuses that they want, but if Lewis wanted the fights bad enough, he would have got them... and I don't want to here bull**** about how they vacated belts not to fight him... because you Lewis fans then turn around and defend Lewis for dropping titles to avoid fights with Byrd and Ruiz.

Wladimir Klitschko is a more talented fighter than Lennox Lewis, and he is better off in his career at 31 years old, than Lewis was at 31 years old.

 

Wow, Widdow, wow.

You really, really are a big Wlad fan aren't you?

I mean, you're saying Razor Ruddock "was never that good", but build up McCline as "(Solid top 10 heavyweight when Wlad beat him)"

Perhaps if (just to take your example) you had put

- Razor Ruddock. Second ranked heavyweight in the world at the time, and mandatory for Holy. Only fought Lewis as part of a heavy tourney.

-McCline. Perennial gatekeeper. Reputation for fighting timid, and always losing the big fights...


The argument may have looked a little different?

Wlad is very good, yes. And has a long way to go in his career. However, Wlad is not all that active, and seems to be having a hard time getting more belts than one at once.

Please don't use the WBO, that belt was worthless when Lewis was 31.

My concern for Wlad is simple. Time and politics will stop him ever becoming what he could be. Plain and simple.

Also, you could have added.


By 31 years of age, Lewis had been knocked down once, resulting in a TKO loss.
Wlad has been knocked down around 12 times, suffering 3 TKO losses.

 

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he was a top pugilst, but he's definitely an even better commentator

 

H2H, I have Lewis at #1. I think a well-focused, well-prepared prime Lewis beats all HWs IMO.

ATG-wise, I have him #3, behind Ali and Louis.

 

I think that Lewis slipped on that one - no one can say otherwise if they really didn't check Lewis' feet when he was tagged in SA - same thing when Floyd touched the canvas with his glove after being caught by Zab, people don't realise he stepped on Judah's foot cause he's a southpaw. Erase these pics from your mind cause there was a role reversal afterwards and we can all act as both fights never happened - Lewis vs Rahman...

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Funny how you refer to Ruddock as

"Razor Ruddock - Who was ranked highly at the time, although hindsight shows us that Ruddock never was that good."

But then went on to list guys like Peter, Brewster, Brock, for Wlad.

Ruddock retired long ago and hindsight-wise he can not get worse anymore (as we have seen the worse of him already). But guys like Peter, Mcline are just beginning to make a name and they already worse.

 

I ****in love that fight.

 

In his dreams.

BTW, Wlad's resume is pathetic in comparison to Lewis', or any other Heavyweight close to being top 25 of all time.

 

Foreman would have a good chance based on his punching power alone.

 

Uhh... once again... this is due to the fact that Lewis didn't fight all of the tough challenges, from all sorts of different styles that Wlad has... also Lewis didn't fight nearly as many times by that age. Hell, Wlad has already fought more times than Lewis did in his entire career.

Also, stop focusing on just McCline and Ruddock. I listed Ruddock didn't I? Good win, but Ruddock only showed before, and after that, that he simply couldn't contend with the best in the division... or even the worst at times. You are right, McCline was also built up to be the best American Contender in the heavyweight division, coming off of very impressive wins over Michael Grant, Lance Whitaker, and Shannon Briggs when Wlad knocked him out. McCline has shown since then that he is not the best american contender. However, he has had several good fights with the upper class of the division... including his fights with Brock, Grant, Briggs, Peter, and Byrd. I never acted like McCline was a huge win for Wlad, I am saying that it was a win over a top 10 ranked opponent.

Also, at the time that McCline fought Wlad, he didn't have the reputation for fighting timid. He came out and took Grant out with the very first punch of the fight. It was the fight against Wladimir that really gave McCline that label.

Why are you focusing on only McCline and not the undefeated top contenders, and #1 ranked heavyweights in the World that Wlad beat? And I am not just talking about high ranking fighters by an alphabet org., I am talking about ring magazine... as in ALL of the heavyweights, including the other Champs. Lewis didn't have anything close to a win like that on his resume yet.

Give credit where credit is due. Yes, Lewis ranked above Wlad right now in ATG status, based on accomplishments.... and he should. I mean, the man is already retired. Let's see how Wlad's career pans out, then we can talk about them in that manner. However, if we are discussing something that makes sense... such as both fighters at the same point of 31 years old in their careers... Wlad is head and shoulders above Lewis.

 

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Right....

Because Ruddock had already been stopped by a nobody, and beat Twice by Tyson the previous year before Lewis fought him. He also then went on to do absolutely jack **** with his career after his fight with Lewis as well. He only fought one good fighter after his loss to Lewis, and he was knocked out again. I mean... have you ever actually taken a look at Ruddock's resume? Other than having a catchy knickname, and a catchy phrase for his signature punch, the man didn't do ****. And the funny thing is.... MOST LEWIS FANS CLAIM THIS AS HIS BEST WIN!


Sam Peter already has two wins over James Toney, and currently holds the Interm WBC Title. Sam Peter has never lost before he fought Wlad, and never lost afterwards either.

Calvin Brock was an undefeated top contender with solid wins when Wlad destroyed him. So, leading into that fight... Brock had everything going for him, and Wlad put an end to everything, including his confidence.

Lamon Brewster was a Champion and went on to successfully defend his World Title, and win by some brutal knockouts before losing his title to Lyhakovich in a great fight. And then in their rematch Wlad destroyed him.

All of these guys were either at better places in their career and/or have proven to be better against a top level of fighter than Ruddock.

 

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