Been watching Lewis fights, and man-o-man!

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That's nonsense. In the 90's they were saying that the 90's were an extremely weak era for Heavyweights. In the 80's the same... people never get credit DURING their careers. That is because we can't look back at what a great career they actually had, when they are still in the middle of it.

The nonsense about this era being tougher than that one, ect... is all bull****, and can't be backed up. Take the 70's for example. It is supposedly one of the greatest era's because it had Ali, Foreman, Frazier, ect.... but look a little deeper. Everyone bought into Ali's "I am the greatest", and he was a great fighter. However, he only fought others in his era, so we don't know how great he is. We know that he was great in HIS era. They say Frazier is great... why? Because he beat Ali, who is supposedly the greatest, so I guess that makes Frazier great. Foreman is an ATG too, why? Well... he beat Frazier, who beat Ali, who is supposedly the greatest ever so... obviously he must be a top ATG as well. Get the point? We have no idea how great they are compared to other era's because they were only fighting against each other. I mean, a guy like Ken Norton beat Ali (all 3 times in reality).... so he must be an all time great too... right?

It's just nonsense. Today, we have a HUGE push of great fighters from different countries. They don't have the star power in the United States, so everyone over here just pretends like the division is weak, just because everyone isn't so recognizable. I think that it is time to take a look down through the weight divisions, and you will see that most of the Champions are pushing in from different countries all over the world. If you ask me, boxing has simply become more global, and better all around. Human beings evolve, and athletes get better all of the time. That is the facts of life. Most of the "great heavyweights" from the past wouldn't even be heavyweights today. People need to think realistically when discussing the past and present.

 

Further evidence of how absurdly overrated Lewis is by some fans!!!! atsch

The third best HW of all time does get starched twice in the early rounds by second raters. Lewis isn't even the best of his own era, let alone the third best of all time!! :nut

 

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Widdow, you want to be real pedantic?

Sam Peter. Best win vs a fat, 38 year old middleweight. Sat on his arse 3 times by the average punching McCline.

Calvin Brock. Undefeated yes. Best win? Dunno, Mcline maybe? Since lost again in unimpressive fashion. A plodder.

Lamon Brewster. Made his rep by beating Wlad. (funny that). Before that regarded as an underachiever. Struggled with Kali Meehan. Prior to Wlad had lost to Clifford Ettiene and Charles Shufford.


Wlad has had more fights than Lewis at this point of his career. You seem to think thats a good thing. I think it shows he was more protected, and took longer to become competive at the top level.

You want to list guys like that, up to Lewis beining 31?

(List in order from first to face Lewis on.)

Gary Mason. Undefeated. European Heavyweight champion. This was only Lewis 14th pro fight.

Mike Weaver. Previous WBA heavyweight champ. Only previously lost to other contenders. Lewis KO'd him in 6

Tyrell Biggs. Rose quickly to a title shot, but quickly became a lower level contender. Lewis beat him in his 17th fight. No great shakes, gatekeeper level really. Kind of like a McCline.

Ruddock as you know. (21st fight. Who was Wlad fighting in his 21st fight)

Tony Tucker. 49-1 at the time. Arguably better than anyone Wlad is yet to face. Beat Oliver McCall less than 12 months earlier. First WBC title fight for Lewis, in his 22nd fight.

Frank Bruno. Everyone knows about him.

Phil Jackson. 30-1 at the time. Not a great by any stretch. Gatekeeper level. Lost to the top guys, beat the rest. Wlad fought him many many years later......

Lost to McCall.

Beat Tommy Morrison.

Beat Ray Mercer. Very close fight. Mercer was actually good and not in his forties here.


That's about it.

Coming up very soon, wins over Akinwande, Golota and Briggs. Will Wlad match that?


Lewis was thrown in much deeper waters, much earlier than Wlad.

Oh, and don't forget.

Lewis down and TKO'd once at this point.
Wlad down 12 times(?) and TKO'd THREE times by now.

 

The Lewis that made quick work of Razor Ruddock & Andrew Golota would be a tough matchup for any HW in history - period.

 

QFT.

 

You have to be related to Holyfield.

 

FACT:
Lewis is ranked above Holyfield on any serious ATG HW list.

 

Clarify QFT? :huh

 

Lennox's combination of height, reach, strength, defense, punching ability, skills, and power make him a very formidable threat to anyone, anytime.

 

I already said that, so you owe me a beer! :good

 

Mccline was the scaredest most timid fighter on earth when he faced Wlad, and as for him stopping grant! Grant went over on his ankle and broke it. Grant hadnt recovered his nerve from the Lewis loss and the many many injuries he had suffered since. You list McClines win over Briggs as if that meant anything, Briggs weighed in around 280 and had less movement than he did versus Ibragamov. Whitaker!!!! lol.
I have no idea who these great opponents you think wlad has fought and proved himself against, Davrll Williamson, Fabio Moli???? Calvin Brock, who? lol. Yes wlad is above Lewis in the number of times he has touched the canvas, i will give u that one.

 

Vitali Klitschko says that Lennox is the biggest name in boxing history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4czWcf9uKpw

 

Tyson wasn't at his best when they sparred. They were both very young. Tyson's prime is betwen 87'-88', during that time I don't see how Lewis could beat him. Tyson was a ferocious animal, way too much speed and aggression. The version of Tyson that Lewis fought was basically shot, not even 30% of what he once was, and I'm being serious. I think Lewis is a very good fighter, but I think he would lose to Tyson in either a 12 round holdfest ala Bonecrusher Smith or he'd get knocked out in the mid-late rounds.