Before claiming someone is a top 10 atg..please show a list to back it up

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  1. larrysmith

    larrysmith Guest

    i see all these post claiming mannys top 10 atg....but havent seen 1 damn list..please provide proof of your claims
     
  2. larrysmith

    larrysmith Guest

    i can easily say haye is a top 10 atg..look what he did to harrison
     
  3. st.anger

    st.anger Active Member Full Member

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    pac is top 5 atg - emmanuel stewrad.....this was after the cotto fight!
     
  4. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    Manny Pacquiao isn't even finished.

    Elite Club of Multiple Division World Champions w/ at least 4:
    8 - Manny Pacquiao (112, 122, 126, 130, 135, 140, 147, 154)
    6 - Oscar DeLa Hoya (130, 135, 140, 147, 154, 160)
    5 - Thomas Hearns (147, 154, 160, 168, 175)
    5 - Sugar Ray Leonard (147, 154, 160, 168, 175)
    5 - Floyd Mayweather Jr. (130, 135, 140, 147, 154)
    4 - Roberto Duran (135, 147, 154, 160)
    4 - Pernell Whitaker (135, 140, 147, 154)
    4 - Leo Gomez (105, 108, 112, 115)
    4 - Roy Jones Jr. (160, 168, 175, 200+)

    Elite Club of Multiple Awardee of Ring Figther of the Year w/ at least 3:
    5 - Muhhamad Ali - 1963, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1978
    4 - Joe Louis - 1936, 1938, 1939, 1941
    3 - Joe Frazier - 1967, 1970, 1971
    3 - Evander Holyfield - 1987, 1996, 1997
    3 - Manny Pacquiao - 2006, 2008, 2009*

    Elite Club of Multiple Awardee of BWAA Figther of the Year w/ at least 3:
    3 - Muhhamad Ali - 1965, 1974, 1975
    3 - Joe Frazier - 1969, 1971, 1975
    3 - Sugar Ray Leonard - 1976, 1979, 1981
    3 - Evander Holyfield - 1990, 1996, 1997
    3 - Manny Pacquiao - 2006, 2008, 2009*



    Comparing Manny Pacquiao among the Ring top-10 ATG Fighters:

    Career W-L-D Record:
    Joe Louis =========== 66-3-0 ======= 0.957
    Willie Pep =========== 229-11-1 ===== 0.950
    Muhhamad Ali ======== 56-5-0 ======= 0.918
    Manny Pacquiao ====== 51-3-2 ======= 0.911 (4th)
    Sugar Ray Leonard ==== 36-3-1 ======= 0.900
    Pernell Whitaker ====== 40-4-1 ======= 0.889
    Sugar Ray Robinson === 175-19-6 ===== 0.875
    Harry Greb ========== 260-20-18 ==== 0.872
    Roberto Duran ======= 103-16-0 ===== 0.866
    Benny Leonard ======= 184-19-11 ==== 0.860
    Henry Armstrong ===== 149-21-10 ==== 0.828

    KO Percentage:
    Joe Louis ============= 75.36%
    Manny Pacquiao ======== 67.86% (2nd)
    Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 62.50%
    Muhhamad Ali ========== 60.66%
    Roberto Duran ========= 58.85%
    Henry Armstrong ======= 56.11%
    Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 54.00%
    Pernell Whitaker ======== 36.96%
    Willie Pep ============= 26.97%
    Benny Leonard ========= N/A
    Harry Greb ============ N/A

    Peak Record:
    Harry Greb ============ 258-18-18
    Benny Leonard ========= 184-18-11
    Willie Pep ============= 134-1-1
    Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 128-1-2
    Henry Armstrong ======= 108-12-8
    Roberto Duran ========= 72-1-0
    Joe Louis ============= 58-1-0
    Muhhamad Ali ========== 55-2-0
    Manny Pacquiao ======== 51-3-2 (9th)
    Pernell Whitaker ======== 40-1-1
    Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 35-1-1

    Number of HOF'er Defeated:
    Harry Greb ------------------ 13
    Norfolk, Tunney, Blackburn, Dillon, Flowers, Walker, Loughran, Miske,
    Levinskey, M. Gibbons, Rosenbloom, Slattery, T. Gibbons
    Sugar Ray Robinson -------- 10
    Armstrong, LaMotta, Fullmer, Gavilan, Basilio, Graziano,
    Zivic, Turpin, Angott, Olson
    Henry Armstrong ----------- 10
    Wolgast, Ross, Angott, Ambers, Jenkins, Zivic,
    Montanez, Bass, Wright, Arizmendi
    Joe Louis -------------------- 8
    Schmeling, Sharkey, Conn, Walcott, Baer, Braddock,
    Lewis, Bivins
    Muhhamad Ali --------------- 7
    Foster, Moore, Frazier, Foreman, Liston, Patterson, Norton
    Benny Leonard -------------- 7
    Tendler, Kansas, Dundee, Ritchie, Britton,
    Kilbane, Welsh
    Manny Pacquiao ------------- 6 (7th)
    Barrera, Morales, Marquez, DeLa Hoya, Cotto, Hatton
    *Assuming all makes it in IBHOF
    Sugar Ray Leonard --------- 4
    Duran, Benitez, Hagler, Hearns
    Roberto Duran -------------- 4
    Leonard, Cuevas, Palomino, Buchanan
    *De Jesus & Marcel have strong chances though
    Willie Pep ------------------- 3
    Saddler, Ortiz, Wright
    Pernell Whitaker ------------ 2
    Nelson, Ramirez

    Average of Opponent's Record:
    Ranking by Percentage:
    Muhhamad Ali ========== 33-5-1 ======= 0.850
    Pernell Whitaker ======== 28-4-1 ======= 0.850
    Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 32-5-1 ======= 0.840
    Manny Pacquiao ======== 24-4-1 ======= 0.830(4th)
    Roberto Duran ========= 21-5-1 ======== 0.780
    Joe Louis ============= 40-10-3 ======= 0.755
    Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 39-14-4 ======= 0.684
    Henry Armstrong ======= 40-14-6 ====== 0.667
    Willie Pep ============= N/A
    Harry Greb ============ N/A
    Benny Leonard ========= N/A

    Average of Opponent's Record:
    Ranking by No. of Wins minus No. of Losses:
    Joe Louis ============= 40-10-3
    Muhhamad Ali ========== 33-5-1
    Sugar Ray Leonard ====== 32-5-1
    Henry Armstrong ======= 40-14-6
    Sugar Ray Robinson ===== 39-14-4
    Pernell Whitaker ======== 28-4-1
    Manny Pacquiao ======== 24-4-1(7th)
    Roberto Duran ========= 21-5-1
    Willie Pep ============= N/A
    Harry Greb ============ N/A
    Benny Leonard ========= N/A

    Pacquiao's Other Statistics:
    World Title Fights Record: 13-1-2
    Number of Defeated World Champions: 12
    Longest Win streak w/o a draw: 15
    First Held a World Title at age: 19
    Last Held a World Title at age: 31 (present)
    Never fought a 0-0-0 fighter
     
  5. Wig

    Wig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great stat attack man, thanks :thumbsup:
     
  6. st.anger

    st.anger Active Member Full Member

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    damn, pac's in every categoy there is!.....good info.........
     
  7. Vano-Irons

    Vano-Irons Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Great post :good
     
  8. puertorricane

    puertorricane Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    LOL people asking for lists and claim them as proof jajaja no list is any proof because ever list is bias and just an opinion of the person making the damn list

    :hat
     
  9. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    Those stats are preety impressive but they do not show that fighter (opponents) current form and performances, physical and mental well being, as pac has the habit of preying on past it weight drained fighters who conveniently happen to be good and well known names.
     
  10. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1) Sugar Ray Robinson
    2) Muhammad Ali
    3) Willie Pep
    4) Sugar Ray Leonard
    5) Pernell Whitaker
    6) Roy Jones Jr
    7) Manny Pacquiao
    8) Roberto Duran
    9) Marvin Hagler
    10) Joe Louis
    11) Salvador Sanchez
    12) Thomas Hearns
    13) Jose Napoles
    14) Archie Moore
    15) Julio Cesar Chavez
     
  11. SonOfCuba

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  12. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    His titles at 154 and 147 are suspect so im not going to even count those as actual wins against legit champs ..Especially the 154 title ..
     
  13. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Any list without Mo Harris shouldnt be taken serious.
     
  14. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Sorry, but some fo the fighters you're ranking him ahead of would **** him up.