Behold your false god, Roberto Duran

You ****in got him there big time. Let me get this popcorn.

 

We're comparing Duran being relatively competitive with Leonard in the rematch and then quitting...too...Mosley barely throwing a punch with conviction for 12 rounds, and De La Hoya walking to the ring like a zombie with I.V marks in his arms? ...Dude...brother...

 

Mosley wasn't prime, but the reason he wasn't throwing punches is because he was getting completely walked down. PROFESSIONAL fighters (let alone champions) don't throw punches if they're not there to be thrown. What the **** is this ****?

 

You're slowly going down in my estimation...Teeto. :verysad

 

And you're stuck at the bottom of my long list.....Addie.

 

I tend to think if Mosley hadn't been out of the sport for 15-16 months, and was 6 years younger than he had been then he'd have gone to much greater lengths to land his shots, and wouldn't have been reduced to throwing 20-30 punches during the whole fight. I don't know where the weight drained excuses have arose from, I just saw enough evidence in the fight to suggest that Mosley was significantly less conditioned and sharp in the Mayweather fight than he had been last time out...which was over a year prior.

I don't see why we're comparing Mosley/Mayweather to Duran/Leonard anyhow. I didn't see any evidence in the ring to suggest Roberto was significantly hampered.

 

:good Okay. This will be because I disagreed with you politely one evening...you're getting to be as self-righteous as some of the classic's finest, Teeto. Nice work.

 

Nah, i was just being nasty to you because you said something nasty first, that's all. I didn't mean it, i like you really.

 

Maybe you could explain to me why my opinions on Mayweather/Mosley has any relevance to the current topic? The circumstances are polar opposites.

 

I agree they are not similar situations, i just butted in once Mayweather-Mosley was brought up, because i've seen you posting on it before. The reasoning you've put forth here is much more acceptable to me than the stuff i've seen in the past about him outright just gassing immediately after landing a good blow in round 2, that kind of **** is embarrassing to me personally. On the night though, the way i saw the fight is just how i said above. I class the Mosley that beat Margarito as the same Mosley that Mayweather beat. There's no not being ready issue imo, it was one of the biggest fights of his life.

 

I'm not the one who brought it up mate. I just wanted to see you pulled on it because i know your opinion on Mayweather/Mosley and don't agree. If you're going to be funny about it we can make a separate thread.

 

The only think that makes this an issue is Frazier dick riding. In no other circumstances would it be controversial to claim that a fighter isn't the same after a 3.5 year lay-off.

Add to this that his trainer, his doctor and many others (D'Amato and Lyle among them) says he wasn't the same, and that you can see that his workrate and speed had declined. Ali didn't look as remotely as bad against Mildenberger as he did against Bonavena. For one thing he moved much more and was more busy. The difference in how he looked after 14 rds with Chuvalo and 5 rds with Frazier is also very telling.

As a last point: the odds were slightly in Frazier's favour and most writers picked him as the winner. Would this really be the case if Ali was considered to be the fighter he was four years earlier?

I repeat: if someone for unclear reasons refuses to see this simple fact he absolutely shouldn't have a go at those who won't accept Duran was diminished against Benitez and Laing.

 

Mosley was noticeably tired by round 3. Mayweather was standing his ground and Mosley still couldn't pull the trigger. You said shots weren't there to land? I say bull****, Mayweather was standing his ground...a much different scenario to the Duran/Leonard rematch, where I'm sure if Leonard had stood his ground there would have been no quit job, and we'd have had another excellent, competitive 15 rounds of action.

I think Floyd's performance was immense, but I also believe Mosley was around B level on the night of the fight...all speculation, but we do have factual evidence to support it.

 

Who's being funny? I'm just wondering why Teeto is on the sidelines acting as a cheerleader, that's all.

 

Man mosley undoubtedly looked like ****. Does it really surprise anyone? You cant take a year between fights when you're ****ing 37-38 and expect to even be in decent condition for a bout