Beibut shumenov hottest prospect in boxing?

Dawson has stamina issues and he's not top p4p in my eyes. I admit that I haven't seen enough of his fights, but it's because each of the fights I've seen of him haven't been very impressive. He's very talented but talent is always questionable with boxers that don't have enough stamina to use them effectively.

 

Shumenov needs to work hard on the defense, stamina and adjust better to the pro game. It was a superb year for him in terms of achievements at this stage of his career, but these win weren't without flaws.

One thing is sure: he needs to find the fight promoter to get TV dates. How the hell can you beat Montell Griffin and Mendoza off-screen? If you're not on TV, you don't exist. Another thing: an experienced pro trainer and a bit of slow down in competition would be nice. He's not ready for the absolute elite yet, next year he should have like 5 10-12 round fights vs. experienced fighters, fighting someone like Woods or Gonzalez in the process and get more pro experience.

 

No,I'm not kidding.
If by polished and proven pro you mean weak mental strngth,weak chin,completely not letting his hands go during rounds and losing focus and just staying there toe to toe then I disagree on Dawson.But I'm sure dropping a belt or 10 isn't hard.

 

I know he has a nice record and some good wins, but I do not know anything else about him including his attitude.

 

I didn't mean ***** footing around like he was ducking people necessarily, I just mean that time is running down for him to face some of these even younger prospects in a clash of young talent. His fight with Tarver was a boring fight and an easy decision for him, so him fighting Tarver again is pointless (although I can understand if a contract is being enforced). I had him easily losing that fight to Johnson. I don't think even HE honestly believed he beat Johnson. He really didn't look impressive in either the Johnson or the Tarver fights. I've seen other prospects at LHW that looked legitimately impressive, and some that have flaws but might still be able to give him some serious problems.

I must admit though, it's simply the stamina issues combined with the fact that he seems to slightly buckle under pressure from other fighters that bothers me. Stamina issues are a pet peeve for me in highly touted boxers. I don't know, we'll see with him. I'm a boxing junkie, it's not like I won't be watching his fights

 

BTW, I can't find any video footage of this Shumenov guy. Is there any where to find it? Beating Montell Griffin isn't what I'd consider a big deal. I hope this thread about him being the hottest prospect of the year isn't simply based on the fighters on his boxrec record and his "good attitude".

 

Weak mental strength... Something tells me you are a few bricks short of a wall buddy.

The guy absolutely dominated Adamek, a genuine world class fighter, got back up from a KD, and still kept his cool and won in otherwise flawless fashion.

Faced a tough stylistic match up vs Johnson, but proved that he could handle adversity, kept his cool, and managed to win a close but clear UD.

Then absolute schooled Tarver, a guy coming off an impressive win over Woods, and a genuine world champion at the time.

If you are comapring a guy of Dawsons calibre to a very untested and technically flawed prospect in Shumenov, then you are not worth talking to, as you clearly aren't educated on the sport.

Looking at the way common opponent Mendoza was handled is a very clear indicator IMO or the difference between these guys in skill level at the moment.

 

The griffin fight is on youtube.

 

Please post up your round by round for Johnson v Dawson. The rounds were very clear, and Dawson won a close but clear decision. I have watched this fight multiple times, and can guarantee you either don't remember the fight, or you have no idea how to correctly score a fight.

If you post your roud by round up, i will literally post the footage up of each round and break it down for you.

What other prospects have looked more impressive than Dawson? How did he not look impressive vs Tarver, a guy he absolutely schooled, a geunie top guy in the division. It doesn't get much more impressive.

He doesn't have stamina issues, he has issues with swarming pressure, as shown vs Johnson. A very hard stylistic match up for him, and one he learnt a lot out of. He fought a bad gameplan, and his relative inexperience as a pro showed. Still, he showed the ability to cope with adversity, fought smart for the majority of the fight, and managed to take a clear decision.

Where in other fights has he shown stamina issues, especially in going the full 12 on mulitiple occasions??

 

I'm not speaking at the moment,I mean in the future.It's not like they are gonna fight now anyway.

 

It was because later on his fights, his combination punches was limited and it seems to be a pattern with him later on his fights, and I'm quite sure it was because he gets tired. Examine his fights closer, and you'll see he is one of those fighters that tends to get mouth breathe relatively quickly. He conserves his energy well enough, but I believe that the stamina issue is actually the real reason why he has problems with pressure. If he didn't, he would use his skills and counterpunch the hell out of fighters that are pressuring him, ala Mayweather. His fights wouldn't even be close. If he didn't have the issues that I'm talking about, I feel that with his talent level, he would be absolutely tremendous. It's really the difference between him being close to a Mayweather (well not quite Mayweather) like talent, and being simply a belt holder because the only other person that might be as talented as him that I've seen is Andre Ward (hard to decide which one is actually more talented, since Ward has been injured a lot).

As far as prospects that are better than him, I feel that Andre Ward is better, and would beat him, but that's because I feel there's a difference between talent and how good boxers actually are. Some of the other fighters that I feel would give him a good fight are Andre Dirrell, & Tavoris Cloud. Andre Dirrell is sporadic but quite talented and with KO power, and would be dangerous if he hurt Dawson even once. Tavoris is more limited, but he's got both power and solid enough stamina to pressure Dawson, and I remember him being much better than I expected. There are a few fighters, and I know there's one more that I'm forgetting that really impressed me, but those are 2 fighters that I consider to be solid.

I'm being too tough on this Dawson though, at the end of the day; it's just that I remember being very excited about him very early on, and then being surprised at some clear limitations that I saw in him. I've seen it in a lot of fights; the inability to deal with a pressure fighter is mostly a result of stamina, and not having enough work output or power to prevent the pressure fighter from mounting punches. If Dawson fought Ward, that would be an interesting fight because Ward has boxing skills, but is a more aggressive fighter. I'd like to see that fight.

At the end of the day though, I could dissect his potential till I'm blue in the face, it just boils down to the fact that I wasn't that impressed by his fights with Adamek, Glen Johnson, & Antonio Tarver. If that changes, or his stamina issues prove to be a figment of my imagination, trust me I'll watch everyone of his fights. I'm also currently getting some of his older fights, to see how he fought when he was a bit younger.

 

Never heard of the guy buts thats a wild record for 7 fights

 

lol...his resume...his toughest fight is griffin??? cloud ko's griffin...i haven't seen this guy fight...but the future sure is bright with him dawson dirrell cloud

 

He just about shut out Mendoza, this is the guy that should have gotten the nod over Jeff Lacy. He looks raw but promising, anyone who can dominate a solid journeyman like Mendoza after a handful of fights is doing something right.

My main worry is that he will be rushed into fighting a top fighter within the next 7 or 8 fights. They will need to slow his progression down a little and polish his skills more, particularly his defense.