Being a B level journeyman used to kinda be prestigious. Gatekeepers were fighters report cards.

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  1. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    Julio Diaz- who was un underrated expert boxer who was retired by Keith Thurman but that's after he out boxed Amir Khan but got robbed, out boxed Shawn Porter in their 1st bout, fought
    Kendall Holt, Juan Diaz, Jose Luis Castillo, and Angel Manfredy on his resume.

    Josesito Lopez- who in a year in a half run ruined Mike Dallas Jr., gave Jesse Vargas his hardest fight until Bradley (SD), broke a trees jaw (Victor Ortiz), and went up 2 weight classes to fight Canelo and it still took Canelo 5 rounds to beat him. Josesito would have fought Floyd if he didn't get robbed by Berto. (*Berto seriously can't beat a Mexican without help see. Berto vs Ortiz 1, Guerrero, Soto Karass)

    Jesus Soto Karass- Exposed Mike Jones allergy to pressure, fought a dirty fight with Marcos Maidana , Selcuk Aydin and TKO'd a shoulder rolling Andre Berto.

    John Molina- Gave Hank Lunky his first L and KO loss, loss his only title fight to DeMarco, KO'd lazy Mickey Bey, knocked prime Matthysse all around the canvass until he loss by KO in the 11th, and went on to outbox Ruslan Provodnikov with the jab.

    DeMarcus "Chop Chop" Corley- The uncrowned King of all Journeyman (*former WBO light weight champion, I know) who should have a special belt crated for him for his resume alone and being the real litmus test for top fighters in his prime. He fought Judah, Mayweather, Cotto, Witter, Alexander, Dulorme, Maidana, Postol, Provodnikov, Matthysse, McCloskey and had 7 fights this year at 42 when 20 plus year old guys like Thurman and Garcia fought once.


    There are currently no real test to gauge fighters anymore. No real gate keepers. The losers win now and get bigger fights.
     
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  2. Koba

    Koba Whimsical Inactivisist Full Member

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    I kinda like the sentiment - there's is a lot of good tough guys out there, and the margins of victory or loss, fame or oblivion are always one iffy decision away, but I'm not entirely sure of the point you're making. I would say, in general though that levels and abilities of all but a few outstanding talents are far closer than we often acknowledge.
     
  3. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    I like how guys give fighters a challenge and can follow up like Mayweather fighting Corley right after Chop Chop gave Judah a hard fight and Corley gave Mayweather the same difficulty by buzzing him a few times. That type of fighter.
     
  4. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I wouldn't call a few of those guys "gatekeepers", Darnell Boone is a gatekeeper, Diaz and Lopez were contenders and ex-champs.
     
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  5. RacingBeat

    RacingBeat Casual lives matter Full Member

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    Nice post, yes these kind of fighters provide a lot of entertainment,

    Lopez and JSK runs were fun to watch, especially JSK I think I saw every fight you are talking about. Mr Tough Guy Selchek got dismantled, Berto's corner after round 1 was classic, "wtf was that?!?". The maidana fight was a war
     
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    Boxing Prospect Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  7. radupidu

    radupidu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good post
     
  8. rhin0z>

    rhin0z> Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think there are always good test for fighters at any level, but these guys have become so careful in choosing fights these test are avoided. (however I did like the test for errol spence).

    Bika was considered a gatekeeper but he eventually won a championship. ishe smith, rasado are gate keepers but they dont want to be called that.

    That journey man gatekeeper tag kind of takes you out mentally from championship contender. fighters work too hard and dont like that title whether it fits or not.

    Usually the best test occur when fighting for one of the sanctioning bodies lower belts, with the winner being a mandatory.
     
  9. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    I follow you on this bro. If we have any more grinding warriors they are tucked away and kept away from the masses in order to keep building up over hyped fighters.
     
  10. GK BOX

    GK BOX Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great post!
    We need more quality content like this!
     
  11. RacingBeat

    RacingBeat Casual lives matter Full Member

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    As a Lucas fan I was totally sweating that whole fight! Would be poetic if the same guy showed up against DSG
     
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  12. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    That is exactly the Molina that we can only hope to show up and put an end to this BS from Danny and his Pops
     
  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Willie none of those you listed are what I'd call the gatekeeper types of yore. Those are (or were, at their peak) bona fide contenders...or actual belt holders in the case of Chop and Kidd Diaz.

    I have a pretty old school mentality when it comes to respecting journeymen, so I look more to guys like Rayco Saunders and Zack Page for inspiration as "the glue that holds the sport together". Never just record-padding (like a Giovanni Andrade), they always taught opponents a thing or two in the ring and made them put in serious work to avoid the embarrassment of a hiccup. Slick and wily and possessing durable chins to fall back on - and sneaky pop every now and then if they saw an opening and felt like rolling the dice - these are the unheralded salt of the earth types upon whose backs legends are built.

    And you're sitting here spouting household names that were always in (or a fight or two away from being in) the world title mix. :-(
     
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  14. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Jesus Soto Karass thoroughly out boxed Aydin, one of the funniest and most unlikely things I've ever seen in the ring.
     
  15. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    I wonder how long Corley can realistically continue on. I know his financial situation and obligations, wonder if we'll see a modern Mamby situation.
     
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