Benn - Mcclellan

2FasT · Jan 14, 2008

I was so ****ing pleased McClellan ended up like this i hoped that he would die tbh he was a terrible scumbag anyone that does what he did to animals deserves to ****ing die in a horrible way.Benn shouldn't feel any guilt what so ever I'd gladly end the ****s life for him.

ThePlugInBabies · Jan 14, 2008

C Money said:

When after round 1?? SURE!!!

You can talk in pointless circles all YOU LIKE, but go back and watch the first round. Watch as ASARO continually interfered, physically pushed off on GM with both hands. It was BIASED, ILLEGAL, and DISGRACEFUL conduct from a huge piece of DOG**** named Asaro.

Its the truth and is self-evident in the video. I credit Benn for what he did and how he performed and came back. It took tremendous heart to come back. Yet, without the ref? none of that was happening. benn was practically out on his feet and Alfred the *******, physically interfered with GM's rightful opportunity to finish the job.

CLEAN OUT YOU'RE EARS and EYES, I'm not biased against Benn. As I said any referee performing that way with ANY TWO fighters? Should be banned forever from the sport.
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yeah you've totally convinced me now, the rest of the round went like this.

BREAK!!!
*steps in between them and pushes them apart*
*they take one step towards each other again*
BREAK!!!
*steps in randomly again and pushes them apart*
*g-man takes a step towards benn*
BREAK!!!!
and so on for over half a round.........

you're totally right, gerald didn't get the opportunity to let go of one punch throughout that entire round, **** that, asaro handcuffed him and gave benn a nice comfy chair to sit down in.

C Money · Jan 14, 2008

ThePlugInBabies said:

yeah you've totally convinced me now, the rest of the round went like this.

BREAK!!!
*steps in between them and pushes them apart*
*they take one step towards each other again*
BREAK!!!
*steps in randomly again and pushes them apart*
*g-man takes a step towards benn*
BREAK!!!!
and so on for over half a round.........

you're totally right, gerald didn't get the opportunity to let go of one punch throughout that entire round, **** that, asaro handcuffed him and gave benn a nice comfy chair to sit down in.
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Thats actually pretty close :good Only you forgot to add.. BREAK, Asaro jumps in with both hands grabbing GM and pushing him in the chest backwards and taking his slow, sweet, time before motioning to continue.

Asaro interfered and you cant accept that fact, because YOU are biased towards Benn. Asaro is a piece of **** who gave a CLINIC ob HOW TO INTERFERE WITH A FIGHT:good

I'm not trying to change you're opinion, I'm speaking on the facts of what happened that evening.

ThePlugInBabies · Jan 14, 2008

C Money said:

Thats actually pretty close :good Only you forgot to add.. BREAK, Asaro jumps in with both hands grabbing GM and pushing him in the chest backwards and taking his slow, sweet, time before motioning to continue.

Asaro interfered and you cant accept that fact, because YOU are biased towards Benn. Asaro is a piece of **** who gave a CLINIC ob HOW TO INTERFERE WITH A FIGHT:good

I'm not trying to change you're opinion, I'm speaking on the facts of what happened that evening.
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yes he was overly fussy. but the g-man still had benn against the ropes a couple of times and didn't take his chance to blow him out. it's not as one sided as you would like to believe, although i have admitted from the start of our discussion that the ref was poor.

2FasT · Jan 14, 2008

Maybe it was the fact that GM was such a terrible human being that the ref wanted benn to win and i have no problem with that.

toffeejack · Jan 14, 2008

ChuckYoungblood said:

The stories I heard about Gerald makes me think, that if one person in boxing deserves to end up like blind with braindamage, it's him.

Apparently, he bought labradors and other dogs and taped up their mouths before making them fight his pittbull, as sparring - timing how long time it took to kill the other dog. When his dog lost a fight, he shot it in the head.

I watched the fight recently, but because of the aftermath, I found it impossible to enjoy the fight itself.
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If those stories are true then its karma at work.

How anyone can enjoy torturing a defenceless animal to death like that I will never know. Clearly he was a nasty piece of work before this fight.

C Money · Jan 14, 2008

I have Pits and love them dearly. I've spoken out against Dog-fighting and the abuse of animals many times. I dont support nor condone ANY of that ****. In fact, I find it reprehensible! Any individuals partaking should get what they deserve. Yet the Boxing ring isnt the place where you play judge and jury to a mans civil behaviour or characteristics.

Alfred Asaro's actions were a disgrace to Boxing!! Its as clear a case as there is for blatant interference. In my mind? His actions were as criminal as those that GM perpetrated on some poor animals.

As I said to Plug In Babies, it could be ANY TWO fighters in that scenario, and ASARO would be WRONG EVERY TIME:good

Chief_Second · Jan 14, 2008

boxers have done worse - it's the nature of the man who sometimes ends up in this sport unfortunately.

i like boxing - i don't like rubbishing peoples personal lives.

MON · Jan 14, 2008

Fighting for life

[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Nigel Benn's 1995 world title victory over Gerald McClellan brought all the contradictions of boxing together in one moment of clarity. It was beautiful and ugly, thrilling and frightening. And in the decisive round, those who saw it knew the intensity had gone too far. This is the real story of the night that left a fearsome fighter irreparably brain-damaged [/FONT]

[FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif] Kevin Mitchell
Sunday November 4, 2001
Observer Sport Monthly

[/FONT] In Las Vegas in 1994, when Gerald McClellan was preparing for his rematch with Julian Jackson, the one-eyed hitter he'd stopped the year before to win his world middleweight title, he was in his hotel room. He was bored, anxious. He got a video out and slipped it in the machine. The fight was only a few hours away. It was the biggest of his career. There was nobody about and the world champion settled down to get his kicks.
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As the tape rolled, Stan Johnson, McClellan's coach, knocked on the door.'He's some guy,' Stan recalls. 'I think he'd be in his room before a fight, gettin' a little ***** or somethin' before he go to the fight ...well, Gerald be in the room this time watchin' tapes of dog fights. I thought he be watchin' a sex movie. But I goes into the ****in' room, Gerald's got a tape of himself watching the dogs with a stockin' over his head where you can't see who he is - in case somebody find the tape no one know it's him!'
This is how Stan saw Gerald and the whole dog thing: 'So he got this black Labrador, just went to the dog shop, told the man, "I need a dog to take care of, I'll take this Labrador home," and the man say to the dog, "Yeah, you got a good home now," and Gerald takes the dog home. He takes the dog down his basement and tapes the Labrador's mouth, takes his pit bull Deuce and says "Get him!" He lets Deuce start eatin' the dog up while he's timing it on a watch, see how long it would take his dog to kill this dog. And I said to Gerald, "Hey, Gerald, this Labrador wouldn't beat Deuce, no way, so why did you tape his mouth shut?" And he said, "Coz I just wanna see how fast my dog would kill him, for one, and, for two, my dog's a championship fighter and you don't need no dog scratched up and bit up by no dog, by no accident. This is like sparrin' for my dog, this is like my dog need to taste blood every day. My dog need to kill somethin' every day, Stan. Just like a fighter need to spar every day, he don't need nobody bustin' him up when he got a big fight comin' up. He just need to bust somethin' up hisself. Right?"'
It was impossible not to be mesmerised by the rhythm of the telling, and by the tale itself. It was a kind of rapping, old-style ghetto cool-speak, all mixed up like a cheap stew, bits of profanity chucked in to pepper it up. Comfort language served up by a badass dude.
Gerald got his comfort between the sheets. Any time of the day or night.
'It was nothin' for him to get some ***** just time afore he go in the ring, even, you know? So that was the main problem with Gerald, it was girls was his problem. But Gerald had a dark side to him, because he was a violent, violent, violent, violent, violent person.' I had to check: that was five 'violents'. Stan was just making sure.
'His whole life was about fightin' and all, pit bull dogs, he pay lotsa money on dog fights, he took money from his fights and he bet. It weren't nothin' him go down the projects in Chicago and bet $10,000 his dog beat your dog. And a bunch o' gang bangers with guns and drugs all come down to watch...'
Donnie Penelton, the Black Battle Cat, he remembers the dogs. He was there too on those dark nights.
'Yeah, Gerald's my first cousin. We grew up together. I'm older than him, and from the age about three, four, he hangin' around buggin' me from about then, yeah. He was a nice, young scary kid. He was a maniac with the pit bull dogs, man. He was like one hisself. Very aggressive. Very crazy. He had like a yard full of pit bulls. We'd mostly take 'em to Detroit with us, to the camps. I didn't like watchin' them dogs fight like that, I guess ...Kinda difficult, but them dogs, they goin' to fight naturally anyway. You know what he say, though? He always say, "Goddam, if I gotta fight for a livin', I be damned if them dogs ain't gotta fight for a livin' too. I gotta buy 'em their food. If it's a big fight and they win, they oughta be buyin' their own damn food."
'He brought Deuce down to fight this guy's dog in Chicago one time, and me and Donnie, we went down there with him ...Gerald was drivin' his Mercedes Benz, a green car with caramel-coloured seats and he had this big, beautiful truck behind where he carried his dogs in cages. So Deuce, he winnin' this particular fight and all of a sudden the dog got on him and he started rippin' Deuce's throat out. So I'm kinda, like, lookin' at Gerald and I was seein' the 'spressions on his face, you know, and just as his dog was gettin' beat, Gerald told the dude, "Stop the fight!" And the dude said, "No, man. No, man, you started the fight." And Gerald says, "You stop this mother****in' fight! Stop the fight! I quit, here your money."
'Gerald had a nice green leather suit on, he picked his bloody dog up, threw his dog across his shoulder, blood run all down his ****in' coat. Instead o' puttin' him in the truck, in the cage, he put him in the back seat o' the Benz, mad as hell, rubbing his dog, cryin' up and down the road, tellin', "I ain't never gonna do this **** no more, I don't know why I did this, I keep a mess o' snakes afore I put a dog through this again." You know?
'Yeah, Gerald he had some companionship about this particular dog. He'd raised this dog, and this dog, he'd killed a few. This ****ing guy, man, once his dog lost a fight and he was $7,000 down. He turns around, he looks at me, and the other guy says, "Hey, you want to wash your dog off before you put him in your truck?" Gerald just pulls a nine-millimetre out of his back pocket, aims it at the dog's head, busts a cap to the dog's head, and says, "Put that mother****er in a plastic bag. I don't need 'em if they can't fight no better than that. I don't need no mother****in' dog that can't fight." This the kinda guy he was...'
I knew before I started that some of this story wasn't going to make easy listening, but this kind of information was confusing. It was not just hard-core boxing stuff; it was the sound of streets I didn't really know. But Gerald and Stan felt at home there. So did Tyson. Listen to Iron Mike's angrier outbursts: he is shouting at the largely white world and he is saying, I'm going home to the streets and you can't come. It's the place that Don King calls home. He's another big hitter comfortable with the argot.
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MON · Jan 14, 2008

Gerald wasn't a million miles from Don King in his attitude to humanity. King had brought grief - and money - to a lot of lives. He was cold too. Gerald hadn't killed anybody, as King had, but he had that streak in him, an icy vein of ruthlessness. He had to have it. He knew what was demanded to survive in the 'baahxin' bizness'. If you didn't have a hard outside, they'd eat away at your insides and spit you out. That's one thing he learnt from King.
Gerald was not shy of conflict. Used to go looking for it, often. It was part of his protective shell. Getting in the ring and throwing his well-schooled punches for three, regulated minutes per round was a run in the park for Gerald - after all he'd seen outside boxing. His personality was not informed by his trade, but by his life at large. The boxer is just the product. A celebrity. Television packages him and sells him. The G-Man. The Dark Destroyer. Iron Mike. The Hit Man. The Beast. Midnight. Vicious. The Black Battle Cat. Nightmare. All names invented to disguise the man underneath, not describe him.
I could only wonder what else they got up to. Stan, unsurprisingly, had a million stories.
'We in Florida one time,' he says, 'we in trainin', just before we go to fight Nigel Benn. Gerald says, "You wanna go to the mall to do some shoppin'?" So we go to the mall with the champ to do some shoppin', and we come outta the mall, and in Florida you got these pretty little pelican birds, what you call 'em? Flamingos, that's it. They just walk around the mall tryin' to make it look pretty. But Gerald comes out, and says, "Right, watch this, watch this!" And there's this flamingo walkin' around on the road. Gerald gets close and makes a dip with the car, he speeds the car up real bad and - boom! - he hits the damn flamingo! And the flamingo flies up all over the grille! And Gerald, he's laughin', like it's all in Disneyland, and he goes flyin' round the block and he looks at the grille and he looks at the bird feathers and he pulls the bird feathers and pulls the bird outta the grille, and, it's like, "Damn! Did you all see that? Did you all like that?" And then he was on his way out - and you know, you can go to jail for doin' that sort of ****, you know? That's a state bird! You know what I mean?'
I know what you mean, Stan.
'So then Gerald goes around again! He already run over a couple of pelicans and then here come another pelican and you know, like, this mother****in' pelican must be wonderin' what's goin' on here, like? He must be like a brother or sister, like, they all busted up. And then Gerald, he says, "Look at this nosy sonofabitch, watch this." And - bam! - he rammed over that one. I said, "Gerry, you gotta stop this, man, we gonna go to jail." And he tried to make it look like it's an accident, that the bird was there, like ...The kid was a violent kid. He loved killin' ****, he loved dog fights, like it was evident, he was want to go out like he went out...'
Like Deuce. Except he made Deuce quit.

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SCUM.

headhunter · Jan 14, 2008

It was and is the best fight I have ever seen.Its sad the way it ended.

ron u.k. · Jan 14, 2008

well mcClellan if i remember rightly had benn in all sorts of trouble in about the 7th or 8th rounds as well but just couldn't find the finisher,which had something to do with the fact benn just wouldn't yield.as for the dog thing i think it's abhorrent but still wouldn't have wished what happened on mcClellan

johnny5 · Jan 14, 2008

This is probably the best fight i have ever watched live. I was mesmerised from start to finish and goes down as my favourite fight ever. It was just such a shame the injuries sustained.

Carlos Primera · Jan 14, 2008

the most savage ring war i've seen. that sums it up really. amazing fight.

bill poster · Jan 14, 2008

The bad feeling before the fight, the warriors involved, the atmospere only an english crowd can make.. Don Kings behaviour after the fight..everything about it is memorable.

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