Benny Leonard calls Primo Carnera's defense "Marvelous"

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Three things.

    Baer's best punch was the one that he was most susceptible to, and Baer knew this.

    He ultimately didn’t have the power to keep Baer off him, or the durability to withstand his onslaught.

    He was unlucky to injure his ankle early in the fight.
     
  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    He lacked the ring smarts, defensive skills, counterpunching abilities, and reflexes needed to avoid being punched flush in his unprotected face by a crude, wide-swinging, face-first slugger. Other than that, he was marvelous! The epitome of what a superheavy should be.
     
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  3. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's fair enough.

    However, assuming you're referring to Baer's telegraphed right-hand, as his best punch, why was Carnera not able to defend against this far more effectively than he actually did?

    From the first round, Carnera kept his hands low and seemed determined to close the distance for Max; constantly moving towards Baer; skipping back as necessary but not, in my opinion using his size to defend himself. The first right-hand from Baer that connected was quite an obvious one and Carnera not only invited it but also more or less stood static to take it. Had he even tried to defend against it; even just to take the edge off it, I could more readily agree with your first point.

    Was his size and reach not enough to keep Baer at bay, as Leonard had believed it would be? Carnera seemed unable to keep a jab going from a stance that would have maximized his reach advantage. This allowed Baer to close the distance at will, at which point Carnera seemed quite incapable of throwing any close range punches.

    The ankle injury was unlucky (I am not sure exactly when it occurred). However, the pattern of the fight seemed to have been already established and the damage to Carnera already done, by the end of the first round.
     
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  4. mcvey

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    This encapsulates it wonderfully but deniers wont agree .
    The earth is flat!!!
     
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  5. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    The ankle injury was pretty brutal. The doctor was surprised he was able to fight on it at all. Supposedly Primo couldn't step away from the overhand. But I think Baer had his number, and he right style.

    He was putting a solid comeback together, but then bad the misfortune of meeting a young fighter on a meteoric ride, Joe Louis. And was pretty much written off after losing to him.
     
  6. mcvey

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    Are you familiar with the term HOGWASH?.
     
  7. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm just trying to be fair, mcvey.
     
  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    The bad misfortune of meeting two punchers who were not hand cuffed! What happened in the Leroy Haynes fights?
     
  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    And I'm just trying to be honest!
     
  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    How could he land it if Carnera had this wonderful defence!
     
  11. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Can you imagine it Leonard had Carneras wingspan!




    Buying suits off the rack would have been impossible!
     
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  12. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I know, LOL. Brutally so!
     
  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Excellent analysis with some great points.
     
  14. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Why would someone with good defense automatically be able to avoid overhand rights from Baer? He usually uses it as a counter over a jab.

    It also has to do with balance and timing. And throwing it when your opponent is coming into it.

    Wlad had great defense. You don't think he ever got caught with big overhand rights that might look telegraphed from your sofa?
     
  15. FrankinDallas

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