Benny Lynch v Canto, Wilde, Genaro & Ricardo Lopez?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You don't have to make picks in all if you don't feel like it. Any insight is welcomed.

    This is mythical peak for peak. I'm wondering just how highly the board rates Lynch's short-lived peak...there are those that rate him extremely highly in the head to head stakes - your thoughts?




    EDIT: Before anyone starts, i've included Lopez because he epitomises that hyper-modern out-boxing box-puncher style better than maybe anyone below the flyweight limit...I want to see what chance people think Lopez has of keeping him off with sylistic boxing.
     
  2. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I have always said Lynch's unusual rythm, fast accurate punches, and brilliant jab would help him beat Canto.

    Just as Park did, Lynch would take away Canto's rythm and establish his own. He would use his jab then throw fast combinations off of it whilst stepping into range, really upsetting Canto's defensive manuevers.

    Park was very sucessful, but was not a massive puncher. Lynch was so we are looking at a stoppage.
     
  3. McGrain

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    How highly do you rate Lynch as a puncher in his division, GP?

    I wholehearedly agree with your Canto pick. I wonder if anyone will make the opposite case?
     
  4. teeto

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    Benny Lynch v Canto, Wilde, Genaro & Ricardo Lopez?

    Lynch v Canto- I'm a big admirer of Lynch's 'bounce', i think that srategically, the mobility factor in the in and out mould gives fighters who put punches together in bunches, a chance against defensive masters like Canto. That said, i just don't know if Canto would be too good a boxer. Sometimes simply how good one is can offset a style disadvantage. I reckon Lynch would be able to do it though, keeping a high workrate and jumping in and out with well timed accurate, plus hard punches in bunches. He has a great chance.

    Wilde might smother him, but Wilde could be countered and stopped also.

    I wouldn;t be able to say about Genaro sorry Matt.

    I reckon Lopez could outbox him in a p4p sense, even break him down. Do you think the fact that Lynch campaigned at fly should change my opinion? I'm not sure.
     
  5. teeto

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    Looks like me and you are the consistent Benny Lynch brigadiers doesn't it Greg?! Ha, that's a good thing though.
     
  6. McGrain

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    I think it totally depends upon who controls the range. This is a question of mobility, then, primarily and after that it goes to secondaries. Does Lynch have the chin to survive Lopez's best shots? Yes, that's a check. Is he smart enough to find the right punches at the right times when being out-boxed to bring his opponent down a notch? That's a flat out yes in any rematch but a bit of an unknown in a one of fight...that might be the key, if Lynch spends to long flapping with the rong shots as Lopez works him off the jab, he's going to have trouble. If he finds the right shots, Lopez is going to become discouraged and start to move more.

    This is looking at it purely from the point of view of a possible Lopez win. Also fair to ask, is Lopez susceptable to absolute top drawer right-hand feints? Can he survive maybe the best body-puncher in the history of the division?
     
  7. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Lynch is one of the best punchers, real power in either fist. maybe second only to Wilde.

    I'm Scottish, whats your excuse?

    Another factor is how Lopez would react to Lynch's odd 'bounce' into range and flurries. It is completly unorthodox, and would a great technically/fundamentally sound fighter be able to effectivly deal with it?
     
  8. teeto

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    Welli i really couldn't say for sure, with regard to empirical evidence. But i could say with some degree of belief that i reckon that those feints would be a factor nonetheless. Lynch is not going to be shut out in my perception, and that mobility which i mentioned earlier, which is kind of his vehicle for luring opponents onto heavy shots, will always be his game, and will be a factor here.

    Well it's my opinion that the good offense being a good defense would come into play here, and whilst Lynch stands off his man, and he will do this inbetween assaults, he'll be worked by combos and jabs etc, to body and head.

    I think that the strength of Lynch poses a real question here. If he mounts attacks onto Lopez and can take it out of him, he would be able to win. But i do think that the footwork and technical ability of Lopez on the outside would see him do well here. I think he has the ability to offset Lynch and take it to him in his typical fashion, working precise shots. I don't see it happening exclusively though and that's why i have a question mark hanging over the bout. Lynch is so proven in terms of going the extra mile and it makes me wonder.
     
  9. teeto

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    I don't need an excuse Greg, i'm a greatness nut-hugger, nahm sayin?
     
  10. McGrain

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    Incidently, Jim Maharg, another crack Scottish fly, is said to have been the inspiration behind Lynch's fearsome bodypunching. Supposedly in possession of an awesome body attack himself, Maharg employed Lynch as a sparring partner on the way up.
     
  11. lora

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    I think Canto vs Lynch would be a 50/50'ish fight.

    canto could be thrown off-kilter by the unorthodox attack of Lynch, but at the same time Benny is going to have a hard time landing those looping bombs on a guy as defensively aware as Canto.that short stature helps him get under wider punches he can see coming with ease.

    It was the untelegraphed sneak right hands Park was landing, and his straight right-left hook/uppercut combo was a thing of beauty that would be hard for any of the great defensive fighters to slip with regularity.Not sure Lynch has something like that in his arsenal.
     
  12. GPater11093

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    Lynch did have super-fast combos that exploded at you all at once. Do you not think that would be really hard to evade?
     
  13. McGrain

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    I actually agree with Lora's analysis, but I still make Lynch a favourite. I just don't think it matters that much when you consider Lynch's toughness and punch. Canto went the distance at this sort of level, he couldn't beat guys back or down...Lynch is going to take a little more disuading than that. Canto's style means walking through the fire alone won't do it, but also consider that he was a smart, sharp fighter and that GP's descriptions of his combos are apt. Lynch would land enough to get the job done I think.
     
  14. GPater11093

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    For me it is Canto will have some sucess when he can get his jab going, but when Lynch comes in with the combos, he might block afew but he is going to cop a few hard ones, and that could effectivly stop the counter's coming back from Canto.
     
  15. lora

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    Yeah, Canto's lack of power and tendency to look for the slip and counter, rahter than initiate and control could make things tough for him.He needs to make sure he isn't forced to play defence at the expense of his offensive output.

    Lynch's feet are fast as hell, but his hands don't look that fluid to me.It looks like it's the unorthodox angles and power that are getting to fighters, rather than fast combinations per se.He loads up a lot like a Roldan, Tonna , Sung-Kil Moon kind of fighter, with most of the punches looking like massive clubbing bombs, being delivered ina steady barrage.that sometimes doesn't work too good against the defensive greats, though Lynch is likely one of the best at it from the looks of him.He'll need to keep the pace up throughout and not let Canto get a feel for his attack patterns.


    I think his offensive style would work better against Lopez and the other more upright stylists like Ohba, Betulio Gonzalez etc. he'd get a few spectacular knockout wins against those types i think.