Beristain: Pacquiao-Marquez IV Could Take Place In Texas

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by paulfv, Nov 20, 2011.


  1. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Pac will fight like a wildman!!!
     
  2. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, he will want to put the controversy of the third fight behind him.

    And he better get the cramp issue taken care of before the Marquez IV bout. That needs to be dealt with ASAP.
     
  3. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You mean it's up to Pac to go to the guy who just made him $22 million-plus and say: "Hey, Bob, I really don't want to make $30 million or more and do probably my biggest Pay Per View number to date. Nor do I want to eliminate any lingering doubts about where I and Marquez stand after my narrow win in Pac-JMM III"?

    Yeah, that sounds realistic.
     
  4. Concrete

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    He would make more money fighting Mayweather everyone knows this. And if he were to have a close fight with Mayweather win or lose that would do more for him then fighting Marquez. Even if he dominates Marquez it does nothing for him as Marquez would be viewed as past it and shot his load in the 3rd fight.

    He could make 50mil vs Mayweather and eliminate any doubts on who is the best of this generation.
     
  5. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not sure you have a clear perspective on what's important here, for Pacquiao.

    First, you clean up the unfinished business. Mayweather isn't going anywhere, but Marquez soon may hang them up.

    Marquez is older than Mayweather (38 vs 34), so you have to get that done first. Plus, Pac-JMM III is fresh in the fans' minds and that means you want to make sure you try to leave them with a different impression than your close win in the third fight.

    There is now a need -- not just a reason -- to have the fourth Marquez fight.

    Should Marquez retire, you lose the chance at making, likely, an additional $30 million dollars or more. The money for the Mayweather fight, should Team Pacquiao choose that route, will still be there after Pac-JMM IV. That way, if you are Pacquiao, you get to make the money from both JMM IV and a potential Mayweather bout. Why make $50 million when you can make $80 million?

    Additionally, on the odd chance that you lose to Mayweather, your marketability goes down. So, you want to bank as much cash as you can before you possibly face what is supposedly your biggest test.

    Also, Pacquiao is having issues with cramps. That needs to be worked out before Pacquiao faces such a stern test as Mayweather is supposed to represent. You cannot go into a possible career-defining fight with that issue unresolved. That would be, in my estimation, some version of negligence on the part of Team Pacquiao.

    Finally, if Pacquiao both lost to Mayweather and did not get to fight Marquez again, then fans might think he "lost" to both Marquez and Mayweather recently, thus seriously diminishing his legacy and possibly his future political prospects.

    I would imagine that Arum is aware of all of this, and will make the correct decision when the time comes. As will, I'm sure, Congressman Pacquiao.
     
  6. Uncle Rico

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    Being able to cut off the ring, would be a good start.

    As for the fight, I hope JMM says no. The Mayweather fight doesn't need to be delayed any longer than it already is. Pac should at least see how serious Mayweather is with that May 5th date.
     
  7. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Would you say "no" to a potential $8-$10 million dollars? I wouldn't, especially to fight a guy many people thought I just beat.

    JMM basically can't lose here, and I'm sure he and Beristain know that.

    After this last fight, JMM's legend has grown in Mexico and beyond. Anything that happens from here forward is just gravy, IMO.

    Why not have $10 million to go with your gravy?
     
  8. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good point -- and very likely correct, I think. :good

    Beristain's words at the start of the thread make me think he, and JMM, are seeing the bigger picture here and know that they are in position to make some serious cash-out money in Pac-JMM IV, win or lose.

    It's a business. And that's good business.
     
  9. Uncle Rico

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    Of course. JMM has more reasons to say "yes" than "no". But I just want him to refuse the fight so that Pac is left with little choice but to go for Mayweather. Because if he doesn't, then it'll appear as though he's the one who's doing the ducking now (despite the fact that he'll have good reason to pursue JMM for that 4th fight). That farce against Mosley and his disappointing closure to the JMM trilogy, has turned the tables in this Pac-May debacle. Arum's made some bad decisions for Pac this 2011. Not from a financial point of view, but from a public perception wise.
     
  10. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good points here.

    I personally do not feel that the debate has turned in Floyd's favor, but it is much closer now, with outfits like Sports Illustrated and ESPN putting him at #1 PFP.

    This is why I think it is crucial for Pac to face JMM again and try to get a more definitive win.

    Even if Pac fought and beat Mayweather, there would still be people saying "Yeah? So what, Marquez beat him." Etc, etc. You have a chance to clean that up, clean it up. And do so for a big check.

    The buzz for the Mayweather fight has been around since like 2009 or before. It's not going anywhere. So, get JMM before he hangs them up and then move on.

    That should be the scenario now, but it isn't.
     
  11. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Excellent point here and in your last three posts. Nice! :good

    Agreed, even if JMM doesnt hang them up soon, he doesn't want to miss his big chance to cash out in Pac-JMM IV. One bad performance against a no-namer and that chance is gone. Bad business decision.

    Pacquiao's legacy is firmly set. He doesn't need to fight anybody. Still, I think his best move now is JMM IV. Then he can go from there. :bbb
     
  12. Uncle Rico

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    I highly doubt the JMM controversies are big and dark enough to cloud a win over Mayweather - which would be a monumentus achievement. JMM can always be cleaned up after winning or losing to Mayweather. However, if Pacquiao loses to JMM, the Mayweather fight could go down the drain, or at the very least, not be as financially rewarding if Pac officially loses a fight beforehand.
     
  13. PFG

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    I think this is right. Personally, I doubt fighting Marquez again will do anything for Pac other than earning him more money and potentially, ruining his reputation. Marquez will never be an easy fight for Pacquiao and while judges can be biased once, you can bet you house that in the next fight, the judges, knowing they are in the spotlight, will try to score the fight correctly.

    With Mayweather, of course, chances are very slim, but after Mayweather, win or lose, there's always the rematch with Marquez. If Pacquiao loses to Marquez (again, only this time official), then the Mayweather fight is out of discussion for good.
     
  14. thawk888

    thawk888 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What is all this nonsense about pushing a JMM/Pac4 fight? Did TR send all these trolls on ESB talking points or something the last few days??
     
  15. Jaguar

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    :deal