Bermane Stiverne trying to stop Wilder vs Ortiz (full espn article)

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  1. Oblivion

    Oblivion Fight Fan Full Member

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    Bermane Stiverne is attempting to ruin plans for Wilder vs Ortiz, as per ESPN's Dan Rafael:

    While there have been recent hush-hush discussions between the camps of heavyweight world titleholder Deontay Wilder and Luis "King Kong" Ortiz, one of the most avoided big men in boxing, for a fall fight, they are likely to be fruitless.

    Wilder has a mandatory title defense due against former titlist Bermane Stiverne, the man from whom he won the belt by one-sided decision in January 2015, and the Stiverne camp has no intention of giving up the fighter's rights to the rematch.

    Co-managers James Prince and Josh Dubin recently signed Stiverne to a managerial deal and Dubin said they will fiercely protect their client's rights. Anyone who has done business with Prince and Dubin, who also manage unified light heavyweight titleholder and pound-for-pound king Andre Ward, knows they are to be taken seriously.

    "James Prince and I will take whatever legal action is required to prevent anyone who is trying to pass over Bermane Stiverne for his mandatory shot at the world title," Dubin told ESPN.

    Since losing the title to Wilder, Stiverne has fought only once in nearly two years, a non-descript 10-round decision win against journeyman Derric Rossy in which Stiverne got knocked down in November 2015.

    But the inactivity is not all Stiverne's fault. He was supposed to face Alexander Povetkin for the vacant interim title on Dec. 17 in Russia with the winner to get the next shot against Wilder. But when Povetkin tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug for the second time in eight months the fight was canceled. But rather than order Stiverne to face the next leading available contender at a later date for the right to fight Wilder, the WBC simply handed Stiverne (25-2, 21 KOs), 38, a Haiti native fighting out of Las Vegas, the mandatory position.

    The key issue in making a Wilder-Stiverne rematch is that because of Stiverne's lopsided loss to him and subsequent inactivity a rematch with Wilder has virtually no commercial viability and no television networks are interested in buying the fight.

    According to Wilder's team he wants to face Ortiz because he is perceived to be a dangerous opponent and Wilder (38-0, 37 KOs), 31, of Tuscaloosa, Alabama, is said to be fed up with the widespread criticism of the light opposition he has faced through five successful title defenses.

    A fight with Ortiz (27-0, 23 KOs) would be Wilder's most dangerous. Ortiz, 38, a former Cuban amateur standout who defected and fights out of Miami, is a huge puncher and one of the top contenders. He has been dominant fight in and fight out, including in one-sided knockout victories against former title challengers Bryant Jennings (2015) and Tony Thompson (2016).

    But Dubin said his only concern is for Stiverne and his rights to the mandatory fight.

    "We're trying to make the fight, and as soon as James and I got involved and assessed the situation, we got in touch with the WBC and spoke to [president Mauricio Sulaiman], and he assured us we are the mandatory and that has not changed," Dubin said. "If the fight goes to a purse bid we're prepared to do that. Nobody is going to deprive this guy of his mandatory fight."

    Stiverne's team could negotiate a step-aside fee that would allow Wilder to make another optional defense before having to do the mandatory but Dubin said Stiverne is not interested in that. He wants to fight for the title.

    "Try telling Bermane to step aside," Dubin said. "One thing [Prince] and I believe in strongly is if a fighter needs his rights enforced, we're going to do it. He is going to fight Deontay Wilder in his next fight and anyone who tries to infringe on his rights in any way will end up in litigation. We'll do anything we can do to block Wilder-Ortiz or any other fight."

    Wilder is coming off a fifth-round knockout victory against Gerald Washington on Feb. 25 in Birmingham, Alabama. Wilder's next fight likely will take place either Oct. 14 or Nov. 4, dates that his de facto promoter, Lou DiBella, has on hold for boxing events at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York, where Wilder defended his title by brutal ninth-round knockout of Artur Szpilka in January 2016.
     
  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    What about the missed drug test
     
  3. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Bermane trying to throw a buffet spoon into the works. Hope he chokes on an extra large piece of BBQ pork.
     
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  4. Max Thunder

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    Such poetry how now that he actually wants to fight a live body there's Stiverne standing in the way with his all you can eat buffet.
     
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  5. Oblivion

    Oblivion Fight Fan Full Member

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    Lol, Wilders refusal to fight any boxer who previously got caught for PEDs seems to have been forgotten also.
     
  6. Salty Dog

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    :BangHead: Knew this fight was too good to be true. Sigh....
     
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  7. Oblivion

    Oblivion Fight Fan Full Member

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    Reports say Stiverne has either missed or failed a drug test (carried out by USADA i think) so Wilder vs Ortiz may still happen
     
  8. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why no mention of the failed drug tests for Stiverne? Seems like an awfully convenient omission.
     
  9. Manfred

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    The main point for me is that Sterverne had his shot and loss. It wasn't close and he needs to take his ass to the back of the line. No need for a retread. Ortiz has been waiting for his shot a long time and has been straight up ducked by everybody at the top. If Wilder wants this fight then the powers that be should make it happen.
     
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  11. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lol exactly you've heard it all before right?
    Look I don't know who Wilder gonna fight next but why is it with this guy everything about his match ups is a drama show,not saying anything re the Povetkin but even his voluntary defences were often against some late last minute replacement who probably had two weeks camp.
    Why is it that the rest of division just goes about their business and yet with Wilder and the WBC they can't ever do anything smooth,no wonder so many refuse to believe this Wilder v Ortiz cause they know from experience that Wilder is the only guy that talks about fighting top ten opponents but actually never does.
     
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  12. Angler Andrew

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    Too right it's a disgrace cause either way we're missing out on a meaningful fight as I don't give Stiverne a hope anyway.
     
  13. RealDeal

    RealDeal Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Stiverne needs to take the money and go away. Or hopefully the failed drug test causes him to lose the #1 contender status.
     
  14. Hogified05

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    What the hell is the matter with Stiverne? Take the step aside money. Get paid double for one fight you dofus. WBC really created a mess just by handing him the mandatory he clearly doesn't deserve. Not to mention he failed a drug test prior to the Povetkin fight that is conveniently glossed over. And if he missed a drug test last week that counts as a fail drug test (although I feel like that might be the WBC's doing, maybe giving him the wrong time to make him fail lol).

    If they make Wilder fight Stiverne it would be a monumental waste of time for everyone inovled. Honestly if I were Wilder, I know he worked hard for that belt, I would just vacate the belt and fight Ortiz. Or just let Ortiz fight Stiverne for the belt. Let the WBC lay in the bed they made with Stiverne champion and make no money off him. I think Ortiz would still fight Wilder instead of Stiverne. Wilder beats Oritz, with or without the WBC belt, AJ and or Parker can't duck Wilder anymore. I'm sure the WBA would put Wilder in the mando spot that Ortiz occupies right now under AJ.

    Honestly if Wilder just walks into the WBC office and says Stiverne has failed two drug tests now. If you don't strip him of his mando position I'll vacate and you lose the big AJ vs Wilder payday for the WBC, they would bend.
     
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  15. Farmboxer

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    Wilder does not want to fight Ortiz, it's just an excuse....................Haymon is probably paying Stiverne to say that crap so Wilder can claim he was going to fight Ortiz. I know how they framed Povetkin..............