Bernard and Pacquiao are not top 10 atgs

Here's what you got to bear in mind with ol skool fighters.....they're used to fighting tomato cans every other week just to keep themselves sharp. And those gimme wins are responsible for these ol skool heads having 100+ fights. Today we got sparring sessions. If Pac or any top-tier fighter followed that model today they'd get crucified for fighting tomato cans and running up their record.

With that said, imagine if Pac or Bernard did fight in that era and fought tomatocans on a weekly basis....what do u think would their records would be like? We'd be ranking them top 10 for sure....when comparing and contrasting ol skool fighters and new skool fighters you gotta keep that perspective.

 

Only a slight chance! Like I said you CAN'T make an accurate analysis until they and the fighters they face in the ring are done.

Many people state Manny's and Bernard's resumes are filled with HOFer's but most all of the fighters they have faced are not even been nominated. Just take a look at the HOF list and see how many great fighters have not been voted in. It's not as easy as saying "______" is a HOFer. They have to be voted in.

 

Hypothetically you could....imagine if Floyd fought an additional 50 times against cabdrivers, he would be 91-0. But on the same token, Floyd doesnt have enough "great" wins to be ranked over some of those ol timers. All Im sayin is its hard to say guys like Henry Armstrong or RayRob are any greater than modern day greats because they fought in an era where its easier to achieve a glossier record than todays fighters. At the end of the day, it should be about how many great or significant wins and significant losses you have on your record. In that regard, I'd put Floyd and Roy in the 50's.

 

Pac probably top 30, hOPHopkins is probably 40-50, close to Floyd.

 

I'd put both Nard and Pac in the top 20 with Pac having a shot to sniff top 10.
If Pac can tack on a couple more legacy defining fights he should crack top 10. Coz ultimately thats what atg lists are all about---legacy.

 

I agree but both are not too far from it! Maybe they would be able to crack top 20 at the close of their careers if they haven't done that at this stage!

 

Hopkins resume is way better then floyds. How many times has floyd re-tired in his prime? U cant put these guys close to each other in ranking, its a insult to hopkins. Maybe in skill level rankings but not in atg where resume is accounted for. Im no boxing historian, but Hopkins has to be closer to pac then floyd. Floyd has to be at least 20 spots lower then hopkins.

 

Holyfield is greater than Ali. The resume proves it.

I do agree with some of them on the list but why is Fitzsimmons at 10 but Roy Jones Jr who accomplished the same thing isn't on the list? I think the list is a bit biased towards previous great fighters. How is Duran ranked higher than Pacquiao? Armstrong, Charles, I do agree should be up there.


Where the hell is Joe Loius?

And while I agree Sugar Ray Robinson should be on the #1 spot, I'd replace Duran with Pacquiao. I'd replace Ali with Holyfield. Just on pure resume of who they fought and the fact that Holyfield won more titles and is still beating guys.

 

Pacquiao top 10 ATG?

Hahahahahahahhahaa

 

All subjective. The fans will decide that in the future, where they'll be able to properly reflect on what these guys have done and nostalgia does alot for legacies, particularly if no-one ever comes close to doing what they've done, which no-one likely will. Hopkins probably will make top 20 on people's lists, and I can see Pac ending up in the top 10 on a lot of lists if he beats Mayweather. People don't want to believe it, just as they didn't believe he could beat DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Margarito, Mayweather. Go back in a time machine and ask fans how they'd rate Pac after the Marquez rematch if he was to go on and smash all the fighters he has and he'd go pretty close to the GOAT.

 

Chavez, Chavez Jr, both ran up their record. That's why Duran ranks higher. That's why Chavez isn't in the top 10 although a case could be made for the top 15 or top 20.

 

Are you serious? Floyd would be lucky to crack top 40 as of NOW atsch