Bernard Hopkins 160 title thoughts

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  1. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Active Member Full Member

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    Very good point. Yes, he beat up smaller guys as Monzon and Hagler did but, unlike those two, he beat up bigger ones too. Imagine Marvin in his mid to late 40s fighting light heavies like Kovalev, Tarver, Dawson, Pascal (in his own backyard. Twice.). Didn't like BHop as a fighter but you have to take your hat off to him for what he achieved at a higher weight as an older fighter.
     
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  2. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What I also find interesting is that after moving up to lightheavy, he challenged Winky and Pavlik at 170 catchweights whereas Winky was a natural 154 fighting at 160 at that time and Pavlik was a natural middle. Both of them moved back down after their respective Hopkins fights.
     
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  3. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    All good points, Eddie. Very perceptive stuff. Thanks, man.
     
  4. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Marvin was done and spent when he was 32. Hopkins longevity is outwordly as he's a freak of nature. He is the exception to all the rules when it comes to when a fighter should give it up. I don't think anyone will ever replicate his longevity.
     
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  5. Loudon

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    That's what he did.

    That's why his career stirs up such great debates.

    You have to give him huge credit for fighting a monster like Kovalev at almost 50, but then you look at how he dragged Winky up.
     
  6. Loudon

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    You can only take your hat off to him. But you have to ponder whether he would or could have done that, if he'd have had tougher/more fights than what he had.

    Marvin fought almost 70 times before he was 33.

    That's mentally taxing as well as physically taxing.

    Also, Marvin couldn't really achieve anything more. He had no more goals. You couldn't really expect him to go to LHW. He didn't have the frame to do it. And I think the Mugabi fight took a lot out of him.
     
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  7. Clinton

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    Loudon, he was obviously done against Mugabi. His footwork was gone as were his reflexes. He couldn't get out of the way of Mugabis shots. If he hadn't a granite chin, he would have been knocked out.
     
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  8. Clinton

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    Agreed. Nicely done
     
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  9. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Even when you try to be correct , it comes out wrong. Hagler lost to fighters moving up didn't he?

    1 ) GGG only lost in a robbery to Canelo

    2 ) Canelo was busted for PED's

    3 ) Canelo was likely over 175 pounds for these fights, hardly a welter weight.

    4 ) Mayweather and Pac would NEVER fight GGG at 160, but if either did he get the same legacy boost that Monzon and Hagler receivers from fighting lower weight fighters making the jump to 160
     
  10. Bokaj

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    As I've said before, I don't see much difference in Hopkins's level of challengers compared to Hagler's. I don't think any of them ruled over a particularly strong era. I think the 88-94 period was much, much stronger than any of their eras and I'd have today's as stronger as well.

    That's just how it looks to me. Purely hypothetical, of course.
     
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  11. HerolGee

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    hey 3G's loss was years ago now, get over it, I did a long time ago. Once you get over it you wont have to be wrong wehn claiming others are wrong.

    speak to you again when you do, and do not wory so much, Krusher will avenge 3G's loss believe me.
     
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  12. JohnThomas1

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    The period you speak of was stronger than Monzon, Hagler and Hopkins era's for sure.
     
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  13. Bokaj

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    Nunn, Kalambay, McCallum, Barkley, Toney, Benn, Watson, Graham, Eubank, Collins, Jackson, McClellan, Jones...

    Can't see any MW ever dominate that lot.
     
  14. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Soooooo much depth. It's not overly like there were a bunch of greats or anything but the strength of the overall group was superb.
     
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