Bernard Hopkins 25 Middleweight title fights BROKEN down

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  1. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    First let me say i like Bhop. But he is overrated at 160 . Yeah this took alot of time to research but i also watched him fight before he ever won a title, back in 1992 and 1993 when he fought on USA Network and BET up until his last fight... ..so im not some boxrec warrior, but i used it as a reference to look at how bad the opponents of bhop not only were, but how undeserving and the abysmal opponents they fought to get a shot a legitimate champ and belt.

    1993 L12 Roy Jones Jr IBF 160

    1994 D12 Segundo Mercado 1 - IBF 160

    1995 TKO7 Segundo Mercado 2 - IBF 160
    biggest name win on resume Alex Ramos 30-8
    since Bhop lost 7 out 9 all by KO

    1996 TKO1 Steve Frank IBF 160
    15-2-1 (15 of his 18 opponents had a combined 45 wins or 3 each)
    biggest win leading to title shot - absoultely no one

    1996 Joe Lipsey 25-0 IBF 160
    oppenents had a combine 225 losses and 230 wins tyron trice accounting for 42 of those wins
    and 3 others having about 20 each
    biggest win to title shot...a shot tyrone trice 10 rounder biggest win after...retired

    1996 TKO11 William Bo James IBF 160 20-6-1
    biggest win 13-5 kevin tillman
    since he lost to bhop...1 win in next 7 fights

    1997 TKO7 John David Jackson IBF 160 32-2
    90% of career a junior middle
    biggest win reggie johnson WBA 160, then fights 16-7 nobody, 25-12 nobody then kod in next fight by jorge castro
    then fights 22-8 james green, 16-10 no body, then 9-15 nobody, then a 9-6 nobody
    hopkins then beats him up, jackson goes 1-1 and retires

    1997 TKO11 Glenn Johnson
    32-0 IBF 160
    everyone knows him, legit win, and first real opponent in 6 title fights

    1997 W12 Andrew Council 27-5-3 IBF 160
    biggest win- no one, already had lost to robert allen, winky, keith holmes, ricky thomas, and 3 draws
    after bhop, he wins 2 of 6 and retires

    1998 TKO6 Simon Brown
    47-6 former welterweight champ IBF 160
    six fights at 160 with no name wins, losing 1 to Lonnie Bradley
    after losing to bhop he losses next 6 and retires

    1998 NC4 Robert Allen fight 1 22-2 IBF 160
    biggest win to date- Andrew Council, see above...
    what has he done since? put it this way, ive never heard anyone bring his name up on a thread

    1999 W12 Antwun Echols 22-2-1 IBF 160
    biggest win Brian Barbosa ? Echols fought 2 guys in 1996 that were 0-8 and 0-19
    legitiamte power puncher but only big win was against charles brewer

    1999 TKO7 Robert Allen II - another pointless fight that was a waste

    2000 Syd Vanderpool 28-1 IBF 160
    biggest win to date W10 Glenn Johnson
    Vanderpools first 10 opponents combine for 10 wins 48 losses
    next 10 were 75 wins and 240 losses
    after bhop 7 wins vs unranked 2 losses, 1 of which Jeff Lacy

    2000 TKO10 Antwun Echols II IBF 160
    since losing to bhop in fight 1, echols had 2 fights to earn him another shot vs
    26 wins and 49 losses Anthony Ivory and 22-5-1 Lionel Ortiz

    2001 W12 Keith Holmes 36-2 IBF, WBC 160
    biggest wins to date Quincy Taylor, Paul Vaden, Cherefi
    Holmes was average at best....another guy that was a decent boxer, but hes never mentioned
    because he never did jack ****

    2002 TKO12 Felix Trinidad
    WBA 160
    Trinidad a great welterweight, dangerous junior middle, and veteran of 1 middleweight fight to date
    of which was dethroning william joppy by brutal KO
    another guy at career end...going 2-2 and retired

    2003 TKO6 Carl Daniels IBF, WBA, WBC 160
    another junior middlweight
    a veteran of 2 whole middleweight fights leading up to bhop 16-7 Anothony Atkinson and 28-4 Brian Barbosa
    (i guess by beating borbosa u get thrust into a title shot)
    after Bhop....stays above his natural weight and loses 14 out of his next 17

    2003 TKO8 Morrade Hakkar
    31-3 IBF, WBA, WBC 160
    biggest win, no one
    never fought outside of france or italy, some opponents cant be verified and everyone
    knows this was one of the most undeserving guys to fight for a title EVER and on HBO to top that

    2003 W12 William Joppy IBF, WBA, WBC 160
    biggest wins leading up to behop- howard eastman, but previously being knocked out to trinidad 2 years earlier
    solid win over a guy whos claim to fame is winning 2 out of 3 to julio cesar green, getting kod by Felix Trinidad and beating howard eastman

    2004 W12 Robert Allen fight # 3 IBF, WBA, WBC 160
    after he lost to bhop II . has wins 14 vs absolute jokes
    records 5-23, 11-18, 10-9, 26-5, 1 win- 42 losses, 13-24, 7-20, then records get better but
    names like marlon hayes, dwain williams, tito mendoza, kevin hall, jesse aquino and 13-7 steve walker
    that list of whos WHO gets another crack at the legend in Hopkins. WOW

    2004 KO9 Oscar De La Hoya IBF, WBA, WBC, WBO 160
    another welter/junior middle who had ONLY 1 previous fight at 160 where he got his ass kicked by felix sturm
    but was given the biggest gift of his life.....

    2005 W12 Howard Eastman 40-1 IBF, WBA, WBC, WBO 160
    only name fighter on his resume was against joppy...and he lost that one
    Eastman had great skills, just never had 1 solid win vs anoyone of note

    2005 L12 Jermain Taylor 1 IBF, WBA, WBC, WBO 160

    2005 L12 Jermain Taylor 2
    WBA, WBC, WBO 160
     
  2. KO Boxing

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    Broken down = Boxrec'ed?
     
  3. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    obviously you read ZERO of what i put down...your great wisdom and insight is noted :good
     
  4. Sweet Pea

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    Not even Johnson was legitimate good win at the time Hopkins beat him. His opposition up to that point was awful and almost every time he stepped up the competition after Hopkins he lost, up until all that experience eventually evened out for him and he got the breaks to become a world class LHW.
     
  5. Babality

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    Where do you place Hopkins at 160 and overall? (all time of course)
     
  6. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    he fought alot of blown up welters and junior middles...so some of the guys who started at 160 were 6-8 pounds above and fights could have been made
    out of that mix....after RJ
    theres no eubank, benn, barkley, toney, nunn, mccallum, steve collins, reggie johnson, julian jackson, gerald mcclellan
    not one of these guys? hard to believe...but when you defend an IBF belt for so long...all these guys have the others....
     
  7. Sweet Pea

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    I'd place him probably in the top 60 or so P4P fighters of all time. At MW I'd say he's borderline top 10, based on his dominance at the weight and the ability I believe he has shown himself to have. His resume is shite in comparison to most of the other elite MW's, though.
     
  8. Babality

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    :thumbsup
     
  9. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    hard to say.....
    he lost vs RJ in first attemp
    draw in second against a very average guy in mercardo, being knocked down 2 times
    kod mercardo in 3rd attempt

    then next 10 years were MOSTLY old welters, junior middles, or 160 pounders who had no biz in the top 25. he did have a few decent wins but never against a legit solid middleweight , and unifying the belts vs 1 original very average middleweight in keith holmes,
     
  10. Babality

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    From 1 to 10 how good do you think were his Pavlik and Tarver wins.
     
  11. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    10 on both

    Tarver was comming off a huge KO win vs Roy, then a 12 round good win over Glenn Johnson...then another UD12 over Roy Jones ..and Hopkins jumping up 2 divisions just WRECKED the guy that destroyed Roy Jones career....and with Tarver rebounding and regaining the title by shutting out clinton woods makes bhps victory all the more impressive

    KP, a great win, against a guy who destroyed jermain taylor and destroyed edison miranda who had just previously broken abrahams jaw and had him a bloody mess for 12 rounds....i dont buy stuff about hopkins being the bigger guy...hopkins fought at 160 for 20 years he just took the young guy to school
     
  12. Ripple633

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    I wish he fought Calzaghe during that time.
     
  13. dubace

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    hopkins wins may not be that impressive or legitimate, but he only has one legitimate loss and that's to roy jones. the rest of his losses he still won the actual fighting part of the match and left the fights looking like he just went jogging. also, it's one thing to win, but how you win is just as important. hopkins hasn't received any gift decisions. every fight he won he won undisputedly and unanimously. that says something about skill, which is what i base p4p status on. of course he ranks higher p4p thanks to his skills that could carry over to any era and almost any weight, but his lacking resume does hurt his all time great status. still a great fighter and in an era where skill outweighs aggression and marketability, he only has one loss.
     
  14. Scar

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    Wait a minute, aren't you a Calzaghe fan? :lol:

    Want to open up a thread breaking down Calzaghe's laughable title reign please?, Hopkins shits on him top to bottom. Anyone shits on Calzaghe's record to be honest.
     
  15. Gneus7

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    Totally relevant:patsch