Bernard Hopkins against elite fighters his own size

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I never said Hopkins wasn't a p4p fighter. All I said was he kept losing against elites his own size.
     
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  2. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ok, p4p equalizes weight. That's why we call it pound for pound. p4p is a head to head ranking saying who are the best fighters if size wasn't a factor.
     
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  3. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    He did beat Tarver and Pavlik. He also beat the post prime version of Jones Jr.
     
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  4. Nay_Sayer

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    EXACTLY - and using that criteria;

    Pavlik
    Jones
    Wright
    Calzaghe
    Taylor
    Trinidad
    Tarver
    de la Hoya

    are ALL ahead of Kovalev...
     
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  5. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Good job of leaving guys out like Tarver, Pascal Cloud Shumenov and Pavlik to push your agenda all bigger and all of which he beat.
     
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  6. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wow not seen a Hopkins hater thread in a while, good to see there are still plenty of butthurt haters here and that Hopkins still get under their skin. :happy:lol:
     
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  7. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    If you look at all the "p4p" greats through the years, almost to a man they had size advantage over their opponents. Even if they didn't have weight advantage, they were generally taller with longer arms. It is freakishly rare for an undersized fighter to dominate a division.
     
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  8. Hitmanstyle

    Hitmanstyle Active Member Full Member

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    Threat starter is a hater and is pretty ignorant. Other then Tito and DLH what midgets was he fighting? Check boxrec people....lots of the guys he faced when he was at middleweight were pretty much the same size as him.
     
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  9. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    YDKSAB muddafuker
     
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  10. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    The fact that Johnson was a champion at 175 yet couldn't cut the mus**** at 160 and 168 just shows how weak the 175 division was at the time.

    No edit that.... Johnson at 160 had fought 8 out of 32 opponents who had winning records....

    At 168 he was a journeyman
     
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  11. Nay_Sayer

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    Maybe, but at least I'm ahead of YOU.

    Lol..
     
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  12. Nay_Sayer

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    Johnson has better wins @ 175 than Kovalev does, Einstein.

    Now, what were you saying about how weak 175 was?
     
    Nay_Sayer, Jul 7, 2016
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  13. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    Based on what?

    Having to have a trilogy with Woods?

    Beating a Tarver who whilst talented is hit and miss? Tarver wouldn't beat any of the current top 5 today.

    Beating an uninterested, post PED Jones Jr?

    175 was weak post Michalczweski and prime Jones jr....Again it shows that a guy who couldn't cut it against the 160 and 168lbers was a top 3 fighter.

    But then again it was full of AmeriCANS so therefore it must be better.

    Kovalev beats Dawson, Tarver, Johnson and pre PED jones.
     
    Odins beard, Jul 7, 2016
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  14. Peril

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    Pavlik and Tarver were good wins. In both, Bhop came in an underdog. He got incredibly lucky with Pavlik's alcoholism and Tarver's weight exploits, but that's hardly Bhop's fault.

    But in general, you're right. Bhop did make a name beating up two welterweight stars.
     
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  15. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    Only in mongoloidville
     
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