Bernard Hopkins and historical greatness

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  1. theuppercut

    theuppercut Blackpudding supper Full Member

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    As the years have rolled on I have become a bigger and bigger fan of Hopkins which so far has culminated in his one-sided victory over Kelly Pavlik.

    Even though these are only noises being made it does seem like that if Hopkins will fight again it will not be in a meaningless rematch against Tito but a fight of greater significance and challenge. Possibly against Adamek or even Haye should he beat Klitschko.

    My question is has Hopkins already achieved historical greatness in your eyes and does he need to fight a cruiserweight or even a cruiserweight who has become a heavyweight? Would he win these fights? Or should he just retire?
     
  2. pudding

    pudding Active Member Full Member

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    Hopkins is a legend in his own mind.
     
  3. Hexus

    Hexus WBA = Why Box Anyways Full Member

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    Hopkins is a hall of famer no matter what he does. He beat some great opposition and fought some of (at the time) the greatest opposition out there. Hopkins has earned his way into my heart, even though I don't like seeing his leering mug at every GB fight in the background during the announcements.
     
  4. Slider75

    Slider75 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just strange, why he was considered old, faded and shot to hell when Calzaghe beat him, but suddenly a reborn ATG when he beat Pavlik
     
  5. anderslundgaard

    anderslundgaard Member Full Member

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    Because in the Calzaghe fight he looked old, not throwing any punches, clinching at every chance - Naturally people thought that age had finally caught up with Hopkins.

    Then he goes on to dominate a young champion like Kelly Pavlik.

    That only tells us that Calzaghe is a much better fighter than some people on this board thinks he is.
     
  6. Slider75

    Slider75 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    True, but the same people still keep saying today: if the same Hopkins we saw against Pavlik showed up against Calzaghe, he would have won!

    But again, some people just find it very very hard to give Calz any credit! its an already lost debate..
     
  7. pudding

    pudding Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah, but the people saying those things don't know **** about boxing.
     
  8. MaliSlamusrex

    MaliSlamusrex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins is the type of guy that tells his interviwer he is a living legend like 3 times in an interview.

    Hopkins is the type of guy who says he won a fight and says decisions went against him even when he looses convincingly.

    Hopkins could bake a cake and he could talk so much for so long he could convince you he was the greatest baker of all time, infact a ATG baker.

    The guy is hilarious, but he is also very clever at promoting himself, he is the modern day Ali.

     
  9. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    hopkins is a faded fighter and was when he beat pavlik. fighters of hopkins' calibre don't come around that often - which says a lot about calzaghe's ability - which says a lot about why he put so much faith in warren's philosophy of milking the numbers when calzaghe clearly deserved to be mixing it with better fighters.....
     
  10. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    exactly.

    there's a middle ground if you're objective about calzaghe because he's a terrific fighter.
     
  11. futonrevolution

    futonrevolution Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Against Calzaghe, pretty much the only punch he would throw was the lead right with hand and head. Cal adjusted, but B-Hop stubbornly stuck to the same game plan.

    Nard does always look like he wants to shove his way into the GBP prospects' ring interview; he keeps opening his mouth like he's going to say something, but usually stops himself just in time.

    He should use those GBP connections to have his early fights televised. If HBO On Demand can get away with "Classic Boxing: Hatton v. Malignaggi," then they can put actual classic fights of Nard up, too.