Bernard Hopkins and steroids

@juice20

Some excellent posts on the subject as always.

I'm under the impression that the lack of research on proving the effectiveness of certain PEDs is partially due to the fact that (for ethical reasons) researchers cant give subjects similar size doses to those athletes use. Is this true or am I way off the mark?

 

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I dont see where this correlates with a boxer benefiting from PED's or not.

Baseball players benefit from PED's its a proven fact, see McGuire, Clemens, Bonds, Sosa, Rodriguez.....what are there VO2max levels???

To continue to move your hands and punch with strenghth and power round after round and not have your arms feel heavy, I would most certainly think a boxer would benefit from the use of PED's on this very issue.
Not so much the power imo, but the continuous actions of moving around the ring and keeping your hands moving and providing strenghth and power behind your shots. That at the highest level takes extreme conditioning of which PED would be of help.
I dont think I can be more clearer than that.

To say that PED's benefit certain athletes more than others is one thing, but to say alltogether that PED's are of no use to boxers is a ridiculous thing to say.

 

This is world-level athletics with millions of dollars and bragging rights on the line. Give a man a chance to feed his wallet and his ego and you'd be surprised how far they'll go.

Anybody who dismisses the potential for PED use is absolutely insane.

 

Honestly its possible. 48 yr old man kicking ass and even developing a more offensive style later in life.

 

I don't think anyone does. Why on earth would anyone think that?

 

You're showing that you're not one of those 'highly educated people'. Just because something affects your physiology doesn't in any way shape or form indicate that it is performance enhancing, it's just as likely to have negative physiological effects, some would say more likely due to your body constantly trying to maintain homeostasis.
I've never equated boxing to lawn bowls, that is absolutely ridiculous. Boxing requires many aspects of fitness at a good level but it doesn't require any of them to be maxed out, there is no aspect of boxing that is pushing human capabilities, nothing being limited by a persons genetics.

Roy Jones didn't cut for the fight and lifted weights during camp before weighing in at 193, fully clothed and hydrated. You idiot.

Holyfield wasn't convicted of anything but yes he did have a lot of mass to be able to hang in there against full fledged heavyweights. He was faster and more skilled than a lot of opponents and still had to achieve what he did by using his big heart to fight out of tricky situations. He was a bulked up cruiser fighting against bigger men. What's your point? He weight trained religiously, are you alleging he used drugs with no scientific evidence behind them to bulk up? HGH has no evidence in improving muscle bulk and steroids effects are extremely short lived, he wouldn't have been able to maintain his heavyweight condition through all those years if he was playing with those things. He wouldn't still be extremely muscular at his advanced age either, but you don't seem to know anything about homeostasis.

Using a drug to help you cut weight.. yes that's cheating. Regardless of the drug you use cutting weight hurts you and if you don't do it gradually and properly through nutritional strategies then your performance is going to be compromised. So it is cheating but it's not really performance enhancing, it's more of a lazy/foolish way to go about things.

If someone has abnormally low testosterone levels then that's a medical condition and there should be allowances, why should he be disadvantaged? If an athlete has adhd then he can take his adderall and that's not cheating, same thing.

Barry Bonds doubled his power output? What? I've seen statistical analyses making it clear that the steroid era performances weren't any different than what would be projected. Barry Bonds was apparently an amazing player pre-steroids. I don't follow baseball so I won't comment too much but to claim steroids made such a significant difference to one person isn't based on anything other than conjecture.

Lance Armstrong was also always a very strong cyclist, contrary to popular belief. Do you understand anything about periodization, an athletes prime? He was more of a sprinter as a youngster, it takes many years of training for fast twitch fibres to transform into hybrid type IIa/I fast twitch fibres with added mitochondria and capillary density. Also if he was gaining such an advantage that he won 7 tour de france races and his opponents were using the same substances doesn't that indicate to you that the substances weren't the defining factor? Lance can say what he wants but he's not qualified, he's a proven cheater and he's trying to justify what he did. Which was arguably pointless, but Lance is so competitive he'd never give up any theoretical advantage.

Ben Johnson as I said before, periodization, primes, placebo effect. Again that was one of the dirtiest eras of sprinting.

Regardless of any athletes anecdotes there is insufficient scientific evidence to suggest these substances affect performance. Some studies show slight increases in muscle mass, some show no effect, some show detrimental effects.
The amounts used by athletes and the amounts used in studies is probably different. Maybe some substances provide a benefit, maybe not. If you understand physiology and biomechanics you see that the potential differences in performance are minuscule in sports that are 'pure' sports that only really engage one bioenergetic pathway (Sprinting, long distance cycling etc.).
For a hybrid sport that isn't pushing anything to the limit like boxing I'm telling you, none of these substances are going to make the slightest bit of difference. To then accuse someone like Bernard Hopkins who obviously relies on his skills, boxing brain, clean living and principles.... of using PED's? Even suggesting it, is absolutely ignorant and disrespectful to the sport. Not to mention disrespectful to yourself, because it shows that you don't know the first thing about boxing, the human body or what a PED is.

I'm done with this idiotic thread, I've wasted enough time here.

 

I don't think you could be any dumber if you tried.

 

When will you learn that simply including big words like bioenergetic pathways, physiology, biomechanics and homeostasis in a comment doesn't automatically validate your argument.

This is yet another post in which you provide ample evidence that you are a borderline ****** who has no idea what he's talking about.

Don't go just yet, idiot, we're waiting for you to explain the placebo effects of PEDs on horses.

 

Your sig is embarrassing.

 

What did I tell ya'll?

Didn't I tell ya'll that dealt with was a ******?

What do you think now?

Dude thinks you can look like a pro bodybuilder naturally. It's all a placebo affect.

 

100 people say NO, 77 say YES, did this thread backfire on Heinrich Himmler?

 

Baseball players, VO2max levels??? Still waiting! :nut

 

Read Charles Yesalis`....the foremost authority in the field. Who has studied and researched endocrinology, anabolic steroids and sports performance and enhancement for a quarter century. He is anti-steroids in sport.... but is pretty quick to point out that they do indeed aid performance in athletes, and are not as dangerous as touted, and reasons why the medical community did incomplete, unreliable, biased `studies` that at times had an agenda....like some of the drivel sourced previously.

Also read up on Dan Duchaine, William Llwellyn, Bill Roberts, Kennedy, Perry etc...for unbiased, non fearmongering, truth.

http://www.elitefitness.com/members/steroidlaw/healthrisks.htm
references include the foremost authorities in the field

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online..._performance_interviews/playing_with_steroids
this man is the foremost authority in the field, at least in north america. he basically admits point blank they give an athlete an advantage.

I`ll take his word, the words of authorities in the field and also real world results over out dated poorly executed studies that raise more questions than answers, and from a medical community that used to suppress the idea they work like the government suppresses sensitive info to the public.

 

Hopkins is juiced up to the eyeballs but what did you expect, he's almost a senior citizen still fighting top level opponents. I'd say he should get a pass