Bernard Hopkins and steroids

Sure, the placement and timing have something to do with it, but it's all about punching mechanics.

Hopkins punches like an old school fighter. He's never been a 1 punch KO fighter, but he's always had enough power to keep his opponents back.

It's all due to mechanics.

I know you like to think it's all about strength, but that's not the case.

 

I'd lean towards no. And that's a strong no.

You just have to look at the guy in between bouts, doesn't balloon up, doesn't cut corners, he's the definition of a boxer who lives the life. He is very strong mentally as well.

Obviously this doesn't count for everything, but from his personality and from what I have seen of him, like I said, I would lean towards no. He didn't beat a special boxer on Saturday, but he didn't need to produce anything special, even though it was special taking his age in to consideration.

 

atsch

You've previously claimed that the same amount of weight would be lost irrespective of whether the diet consisted primarily of carbs, protein or fat provided that calories in was less than calories out. And now you put up a link that contradicts this position.

Going back to that EPO link you posted, it didn't state that there's been studies so far showing there is no advantage as you now claim. I'll repeat it for you once again, since you appear unable to grasp the basics, it stated that "there is no evidence that anyone performed good experiments to check if EPO would actually improve performance". If there are studies that provide evidence that PEDs are of no benefit then post them. What you've put up so far to support your position is irrelevant. If there's more research needed why don't you do it? Go on scholar, go get that PhD that proves that PEDs are just placebos.

So Armstrong's doping had nothing to do with his winning 7 straight? Is that what you're saying?

It's obvious form your dribble that the closest you've ever come to PEDs is reading about them in your uni books. If you stepped out into the real world and witnessed first hand the effect of PEDs on an athlete's ability to train and perform you will change your opinion.

It's your position then, that elite athletes do not gain any benefit from any supplement, whether it be banned or legal. You, sir, are a ******. :hi:

 

The **** are you talking about? I've been giving Hopkins props for his skills and technique throughout this whole thread. His mechanics are fine but he has little strength or power as would be expected of someone his age who was never particularly explosive in the first place. You need good punching mechanics or nothing works but good punching mechanics aren't going to produce knockouts on their own if you have nothing behind it. He's not strong or explosive enough to be putting guys away with his technique. He could do with a little less stretching, you can see in the way he moves that he's making his tendons too compliant and inhibiting the effects of titin. He incorporated plyometrics for the Tarver fight and looked the most explosive he had in years.

 

Not explosive? Did you not watch the fight?

Every time Cloud missed or got complacent, Hopkins jumped on him with punches he didn't see coming.

There were several times in the fight when Cloud let his guard down and Hopkins jumped in and delivered at least a 2 punch combination before Cloud knew what hit him.

Hopkins may not bounce around the ring like Pacquaio, who is one of the most explosive fighters in the sport, despite the fact he doesn't lift weights, but he does explode multiple times in the fight to deliver combinations.

It's just he's a 48 year old man. He can't keep up that sort of pace. Believe me, his opponents feel his power. If you gave him another round in the first Taylor fight, Taylor would have been knocked out.

Same with Tarver.

He may be doing pylometrics, which is usually just a fancy word for jumping, but you have to realize he's older, so his recovery time isn't as fast as a young guys.

You'll find that out when you get older. It's no mystery that guys who aren't into heavy weightlifting have a tendency to last the longest.

 

In your opinion, would Barry Bonds have hit 73 home runs if he was using a power bracelet that he believed worked, instead of PEDs?

 

Maybe, maybe not. Is that helpful? I'd say all things being equal likely not, the placebo of a power bracelet and the placebo of something that is illegal and meant to be performance enhancing would be vastly different. Placebos and nocebos are affected by many factors, if it's bigger or if it comes in packaging it is more effective and so on.

 

Was Lance Armstrong on roids or were all cyclists using the same PEDS?
There is a difference.
All of the busted cyclists were using the same techniques but they all say Lance was the best athlete. The best athlete when EVERYBODY WAS DOING IT in a sport that was heavily scrutinised.
Tarver tested positive for straight up steroids, this would be called a rookie error in cycling but in boxing its just unlucky.
Of course it's possible.

 

You're not satying anything i don't already know. You think you are the only highly educated chap on the board? Yes some substances on the banned list are absolute bunk. But, true hormonal enhancement affects physiology. That is undeniable and scientifically proven. You're saying boxing doesn't require physical exertion, and equating it to lawn bowling. I'm sure anyone who has boxed, or trained to box would argue otherwise. It requires honed physical tools.

- RJJ moved up to fight ruiz...his addition of quality lean body mass in such a short time frame and at his age screams steroids. Do you not think the added physicality aided his ability to perform at heavyweight. That is performance enhancing.
- Holyfield did something similar. His body structure at cruiser didn`t really equate to being an even average sized heavy. He used, and was able to walk into the ring at a weight and strength level that allowed him to clinch, push off and fight inside with naturally bigger men. That is performance enhancing.
- Morales was caught with clenbuterol in his system. A beta 2 agonsit that undeniably helps in cutting weight, be it water and or body fat. In his condition, and at his age, making weight was obviously difficult, and the clen helped. Sounds performance enhancing to me.
- Peterson was caught with synthetic testosterone in his body, attributed to his TRT implant. Now while trt is not desiggned to push you into supraphysiological levels...it does put him back into prime hormonal condition, where without the TRT he would not be. If you`ve truly studied this i don`t need to tell you that testosterone levels in men affect mood, energy levels, libido, the ability to gain and retain lean body mass, and maintain body fat levels, among a plethora of other benefits. In essence, TRT for a hypogonadal athlete enhances performance by allowing him to feel like prime man, where without it he would lose the beneficial affects of normal testosterone levels.
- barry bonds doubled his output power wise once he used. coincidence....
-lance armostrong was a middle of the pack racer until he got on the ped wagon. he then dominated a dirty sport for 7 years. this is from the mans own mouth. simply luck....
-ben johnson was world level but not at the top till he used. he then smashed the field. by his own admission. coincidence....

 

and studying only takes you so far. you telling me steroids and other enhancers don`t improve physical condition, which can directly correlate to better performance in high level sport is like someone who never had a sip of alcohol telling a heavy drinker that booze doesn`t make you drunk

 

and...like i mentioned, i doubt he uses.....but it is not an impossible unimaginable prospect.

 

exactly...its definitely a possibility but i feel he isn't...

 

If X took roids he would have knocked out Dawson...

 

On a side note i dont think Hopkins used steroids but not all PED's are steroids

steroids are just one type of PED

it is possible that the 48 yr old is taking something no matter how much or how helpful or for what purpose

i mean he probably isnt taking anabolic steroids but there is a chance he taking something that gives him the energy or the ability to just climb in the ring, nothing that will enhance his performances but allow him to even get in between those ropes in the first place

Counter arguments say Hopkins cant be on PEDs because he looks slow and not muscular, well at this age PED's arent gonna make a 48 yr old superman but could just allow the possibility of him to even be able to compete

of course im not saying its fact, just a few thoughts

 

Nah. Not steroids at least.