Bernard Hopkins? ATG? Debateable!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Arran, Jan 12, 2009.


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  1. King Dan

    King Dan Golovkin Full Member

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    The problem with some of you guys from Europe, and you in particular, is you constantly feel like you have to defend your fighters and bash Americans. Ultimatley you create these posts so that you can make a statement about Calzaghe or some other Euro fighter. It's inevitable that you were going to bring up Calzaghe at some point and you did in your reply to jim. It didn't take you long at all.

    You mentioned Pavlik as America's "most recent hype". What the f*ck is that? The man is the Undisputed Middleweight Champ. He's no hype. The man's the real deal and he lost to an old master, no big deal.

    Your bias against Americans is shining through clearly. Get a life.
     
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  2. King Dan

    King Dan Golovkin Full Member

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    Exactly.
     
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  3. dan-b

    dan-b Boxing Junkie banned

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    Bully for you. I suppose you knew all of those stats off the top of your head did you? Notice how you fail to mention Hopkins' performances in any of those fights (probably because you haven't seen them) and fail to mention Khan's devastating KO loss.
     
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  4. King Dan

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    Arran, the people see right through you.
     
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  5. Arran

    Arran Boxing Junkie banned

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    no hate at all, I simply provided some very good points.

    He has beaten no other ATG in his weight class.

    His best wins are dwarfs along with Johnson

    I have no Calzaghe motive, otherwise I would have compared them to each other rather than one line! Khan got more comparison!
     
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  6. Arran

    Arran Boxing Junkie banned

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    No, Im not a stato, I obviously had to research alot of the figures. Yes Khan got a KO loss against an undefeated 19-0-0 Prescott. Where as Bernard lost to Michell who had 3 wins his entire career!
     
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  7. Arran

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    was my response to Jim not fair? People are debating Calzaghe ATG status, Calzaghe also passed the 10 year mark did he not? Was this not a reasonable response? To suit you why do we not go the rest of this thread without mentioning a Euro boxer?

    He is hype, if he wasnt he wouldnt have been dismantled by a 40-odd year old guy would he, Lacy was the new ''tyson'' according to American journos, is this still true? or was it hype? real deals do not get beaten from round 1 to 12.
     
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  8. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Hopkins is a legit ATG. People say James Toney is an ATG but Hopkins has done way more than Toney has.
     
    Rico Spadafora, Jan 12, 2009
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  9. dan-b

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    I can't believe you're attempting to use the Mitchell loss as a basis for your argument. Seeing as you're such a boxrec warrior, may I suggest you look at the weights for that fight? I'll leave you and your brilliant analytical mind to do the rest.

    So if this isn't about Calzaghe is it really about Khan?
     
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  10. boricua100%

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    what does ATG means??
     
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  11. Arran

    Arran Boxing Junkie banned

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    no its about Bernard, why would it be about Khan, im not a fan of Khan.

    What is it you are asking me to look at regarding the weights?
     
    Arran, Jan 12, 2009
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  12. dan-b

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    Use your eyes, it's not difficult, you can form your own opinion from there. Why are you placing so much significance on that fight anyway?
     
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  13. Arran

    Arran Boxing Junkie banned

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    Im not, it was an insignificant fight as I said in the original post. Its been brought up since with people bringing up Khans loss compared to Bernards. There was a 2-3 lbs weight difference, why is this amazing?
     
    Arran, Jan 12, 2009
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  14. Lupe

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    You know, I was beginning to buy into the suggestion that Hopkins is an ATG. Your post has convince me otherwise though. You last question is valid: Which fellow ATG did Hopkins beat - whose best work is not at a smaller weight.

    The responses you are getting do not surprise me because Hops is idolised here. Also I hear no one disputing the facts presented.
    Hopkins' MW defenses consist of likes of Steven Frank, William James, Robert Allen, Morrade Hakkar, Andrew Council, etc - that I'm sure even most Americans never heard of.

    Good points and true.
     
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  15. dan-b

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    Was Hopkins knocked out devastatingly? Was he being hyped as the man with a divine right to the title? It's not the weight disparity that was the issue but you're getting closer.
     
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