Bernard Hopkins Back To His Racist Rhetoric Again

140, you're kidding, right?

147, the slickest of them all run scared

154, again you're kidding

 

Well Said!!! I knew there were a few posters in ESB with the ability to use some kind of critical thinking and has a serious comprehension skills, I thought those attributes and characteristics were long gone from ESB. But if you will Punisher, allow me to expound on your post.

Here is the issue. B-Hop was right on point. But unfortunately, he used the words, Black, Inner-city and Streets. There are people (and Posters) that these words makes them feel uncomfortable and plays into their fears, perceptions and ignorance....and that prevented them from comprehending what B-Hop was trying to convey. It's sad that in a Boxing Website forum, there are posters who doesn't know and understand that Fighters have styles, and these styles (for the most part) are based on Culture/Race. Most Mexican fighters (from Mexico) have the come straight-forward Machismo Hit n' Get hit style. Most European Boxers have the Textbook learned from a Boxing Manual Basic 1-2 with nothing fancy. And Most Black American Fighters from the Eastern/Midwest Part of the US (NY, Philly, DC, Detroit, Chi-Town, Cleveland...etc) and in Places like Atlanta, Florida, Dallas and Houston, Black American fighters are trained to be Skillful Boxers with Speed, Defense and utilizing their Quickness and Athleticism. Now on the Westcoast, alot of Black American Fighters are trained in gyms with Mexican fighters and some have adopted the Mexican Style...Example: Shane Mosley is not a Skillful Boxer like Most Black American Fighters from the eastcoast. Mosley is a Mexican-Style Brawler with Speed. That's why when he faced Skillful Boxers from the areas that I mentioned earlier in my post (Vernon Forrest-Atlanta, Winky Wright-DC and Floyd-Michigan) he got severly OUTBOXED.

And what B-Hop was trying to convey is that A SKILLFUL, ATHLETIC FIGHTER WITH SPEED, QUICKNESS AND DEFENSE WILL GIVE PACQUIAO PROBLEMS. And most fighters in Boxing that possess those attributes are Black American Fighters. The most skillful fighter Pacquiao has faced to date is JMM. and the results were two controversial decisions...a draw and a SD. Now there will be those Idiotic Pacquiao Fans that will say that Pacquiao is a different and a better fighter. My Question is how can he be better, when every fighter he has faced since JMM are easy-2-hit fighters. How much accuracy do you need to hit something that's NOT MOVING???

Look at this gif of Hatton closing distance without a jab, hands down NO movement and chin exposed.

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Another fighter Standing Flat-Footed waiting to be Hit.

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Again...Waiting to be hit.

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How can a fighter get better fighting guys like this?

 

Reread your opening craziness. Hearing White people complain about how Blacks are allowed to get away with so much while they are being disproportionately targeted and jailed by law enforcement is laughable. As laughable as listening to a bunch of Black people smoking weed, dropping out of school, etc saying that "the White man" doesn't want him to have anything. Tired.

Look man I think we can all agree that the SPIRIT of what you are saying is what Hopkins meant. Why? Because Black American fighters are disproportionately represented as that type of fighter at 140, 147, and 154. Hopkins is not known as a great orator. Neither is Nate Campbell.

Also, Black American fighters are known for HAND SPEED. Marquez isn't. He is known for his Boxing IQ coupled with his Mexican toughness. I put Kostya in that same category.

Cotto was levels below any top level Black American counter puncher. No way he makes it past even a prime Zab.

I can't argue with you there. I can argue though that I can understand the complex argument they are attempting to make and filter out some of the racial/professional frustration of it. Nate is a Black guy in weight classes that Blacks care less about. So explain Zahir Raheem? You can't.

WTF? I just gave you a list of ACTIVE and DECENT guys below 140. So you are saying Nate Campbell is less decorated than Clottey?

I then said REPEATEDLY that the only guy with a legit claim to being ducked is Zahir Rahim. However when you couple the past with the future that Nate Campbell forewarned us of? Pac has passed through 140, 147, 154 and not saw one Black American with enough "credentials" to face. Come on!

Race has something (but not everything) to do with it. Just like location does. Fighting styles are products of culture, location, and trainers. Mexicans fight a certain way. Eastern Europeans fight a certain way. Africans fight a certain way. East Coast/Mid West Black Americans fight a certain way. West Coast American Blacks and Hispanics fight a certain way. Irishmen fight a certain way. It is all part of the beauty of Boxing.

I love to see a tough determined Mexican walk down a slick flashy Black counter puncher as much as the next man. It is my favorite matchup.

Why is it when Black people take pride in themselves you feel threatened?

 

I will never get beaten by a White boy!
"Stfu and retire already u racist sack of ****"

 

PBF would most likely win a boxing match!! But if you put pac and floyd in a dark alley with no rules... I bet pac would walk out of that mother ****er alive!!!

 

I agree... pac fought the best latino fighters in the lower weight classes... now its time for him and freddie to face slick fighters at 147! Shane, berto, mayweather! Not JMM at 147.... Thats a bull **** fight, freddie knows pac would destroy him... That fight would be a tragedy! Pacs willing to fight anyone, I wish freddi and arum will let him fight the best 147 has to offer! :good

 

blacks have too much insecurities.

 

People who do not have a relevant or intelligent point to make generally drag race issues into discussions, and it has much more to do with their stupidity than the colour of skin, or their ethinicity.

 

Its nothing to do with race, thats the point. It does not matter if your a minatory race, or majority race, you dont have a right tell ANYONE!, whether your Asian, Black, whatever, what they should!, should not be offended by, cause as I say, commonsense dictates that people get offended by different things, so what gives one individual carte blanch to think they have a monopoly on what should of should not be offense to someone else? I mean how pretentious is that?


I dont care to defend Pac, he should be taking on counters punchers, irrespective of colour.

 

this is a thread about being "racist".

youre kind of lost.

 

I am down with that. Pac was an ATG before he crossed 135! I give him that. Raheem or not. :thumbsup

 

Clowns do it to Mayweather on here all of the time. Now you are jumping out of your skin? Please.

It has nothing to do with race until it does. Black fighters bring a different dimension to the table. counter punching, athleticism, speed, "twitch", and/or fluidity. They also have some negatives. Gas tank, crack from pressure, decline of speed, and/or unwillingness to engage. This is a fact. It also doesn't mean other fighters don't/can't bring those qualities.

If a Black guy is feather fisted, fleet footed, but gasses late it would be fair to say he was ducking relentless brawlers if his resume contained none. That would hold true no matter the weight class.

Now if that same Black guy happened to be 130 pounds or below? You would probably be able extrapolate that he ain't fighting Mexicans. So to say he isn't facing Mexicans would be a true statement not only because of the race, but because of the stylistic demographics of boxing.

Stop it. Race is real. Differences related to race are real. As long as we share with exchange other with respect? Great. It brings us closer. I am with you that Hopkins is not the best ambassador, but the man has a point. Faking like race doesn't exist just bottles up crap and you get Fox News and Sky.

 

Name the top counter punchers 14-154? Name durable busy guys with fast hands in the same range?

Now you find the basis of Hopkins' crude statements.

 

People who dismiss anything that suggests a bias based on race are usually in the majority and clueless. Just sayin'...

 

This.


I appreciate the compliments....and you expounded, beautifully, on my post. I don't see how this cannot be any clearer, at this point.