Bernard Hopkins Back To His Racist Rhetoric Again

Why the **** do you have a picture of a wife killer in your avatar?

 

Honestly man, I dont have a clue what any of this had to do with what I said. :think

 

It is perfectly PC to say "Mexican warrior" or "Irish Boxing". When you say "Slick African American" everyone craps a brick. What African Americans are not allowed to be equally proud of their boxing heritage?

You saying a guy needs to face more counterpunchers at 140, 147, and 154. Is damn near synonymous with you saying SBAF. You saying Pac needs to face the best at 140, 147, and 154 (barring guys from Wildcard). Brings us back to the same place. Black American fighters.

Hopkins bringing it up doesn't make him bad. It is true. Just like saying a guy needs to face a tough Mexican. JMM doesn't pop into your head. We all know they mean Margo, Chavez, etc... guys with massive will that motor through better skilled opponents.

 

Black fighters fight differently. Nothing wrong with bringing it up.

 

He has a good chin.

 

Ahem.

Willie Pepp Vs Sandy Saddler. The problem with sweeping generalistaions is that they're just that.

Now **** off with the race style bull**** and come up with some more excuses for not having a black american P4P number 1 fighter.

I might go watch Peden Campbell I...

 

What does that have to do with what I originally quoted and responded to? nothing, my argument was against this notion, that because whites are the majority race, when you say something racist, it cant be construed as racist, simply because "whites" hold all the power, which is an assertion I have heard made a few times by African American's, like its an accepted ideology, only it does not stand up to scrutiny, as it flies in the face of commonsense, cause no one is has the authority to tell someone else what they should, should not be offended by, I mean if something offends you, it offends you, what you going to do, stop yourself from feeling offended cause someone else thinks you have no right to feel offended cause your the majority race?

I also said I dont want split hairs over it, I dont think you have to get specific and say slick black! fighters, but if you want to do that, thats fine by me.

Why are you stuck on this trip of trying to justify what Hopkins said? I wasn't specifically responding to the thread, I was responding to what someone in the thread said, which was that black people cant be racist.

 

By doing what? Yes he had high workrate but he looked like an amateur and was missing most of his shots. Deal with that. Hopkins, a guy who hasn't had a ko since '04 put Calzaghe on his ass. Deal with that too.

How is it biased when the author admits that Calzaghe won rounds & landed some good shots? I admit that Joe landed a few good punches but by no means did he look effective. Aggression does favor Calzaghe but Bernard was the better ring general though it was an ugly fight. Did you even watch all of the Hopkins-Calzaghe deception videos before you posted? I don't think you did.

I don't know about Hopkins kicking his ass but he always would've made Joe look foolish. Don't get me wrong, Joe was good and possibly great but he's not Bhop, Jones, or Toney. Not even close.

 

Hopkins is such a troll

I bet he was eating some nice watermelon and fried chicken when said this.

 

I can understand what the great Bhops meant by Pacman getting beat by Floyd's slick, counterpunching style, but couldn't he just say American defensive style? I mean, anybody can be any style they want, bringing up nationality I understand, Mexican style, Eastern European style, etc, but sayin well you gotta be "black", it's that that doesn't sound right. But I don't really think he's saying it with racially motivated intentions, just didn't word his sentence right. I think he basically thinks Floyd's style is good enough to defeat Manny's, but with Bhops past comments of not getting beat by a "white boy" isn't helping his cause.

 

Hopkins is misinformed at best, and stupid at worst.

Flip his statement around and you will see how ridiculous it sounds: "Bernard, how come you haven't fought any offensively-gifted Filipino fighters?"

The fact of the matter is that Pac has consistenty fought the best available fighters. Who cares what race or nationality they are?

 

Your silly rational you broke down. Your "offense" is the common BS of today. Someone says something about Blacks? You are up in arms. You sit idle while the exact same thing is said about Mexicans, Irish, etc... You are right though. You can be offended by whatever you like.

Because what Hopkins said wasn't racist it was factual with racial components. People run down negative statistics about Blacks all day. OK. Because you don't like them doesn't make the statistics wrong or the racial component irrelevant. Lets discuss the ISSUE!

It would be just as factual if a Chris Arreola brought up the same point about a Black man at 130 and below that never fought a Mexican.

You don't and I don't. Hopkins did. Let's break his statement down within the context of boxing and boxing history. I think the statement is actually over specific. Especially when you consider Nate Campbell said the same thing and he ain't particularly slick and many of the top fighters at 147 and 154 ain't slick. They all are Black though.

I am not justifying it. I said it was crude. I am saying analyze the underlying sentiment and history of similar accusations! How many weight classes does Pac jump before... maybe Campbell and Hopkins have a point?

I was responding to your silly "white guy who has no interaction with blacks attempting to rationalize his suppressed biases through irrational reasoning" while still trying to keep on topic.

When guys are not in your weight class it ain't your fault. When guys are in your weight class AND the best at what they do it becomes suspicious. Especially when you have been accused of it previously. Get it?

 

I do see your point, but there is a flaw. When you say styles from mono-cultures it is cool? There are few cultures distinct enough within Mexican and Eastern European societies to make the differentiation relevant.

When you try to be specific in a multi-cultural society like America it is wrong? That doesn't make much sense. West Coast Blacks (Ward, Mosley) actually fight in a different style than Midwest/East Coast Blacks (Mayweather, Judah). Truth is that Pac seems to have dodged American Blacks period once he passed 140.

Hopkins' past is clouding the argument. Much like Campbell's past clouded it. In both cases the men did have a point though.

 

I dont understand what you on earth your talking about. Your points dont address anything specific in relation to what I was talking about, its just an incoherent rant.

 

No they do. You made a statement about somehow Blacks have decided they can't be racist and what you have "noticed".

I commented on the teeth (current truth) and tail (history of truth) of Hopkins' statements. The fact that Nate Campbell brought this up YEARS ago and was dismissed for it to still be true today shows that maybe there is something to this. This has about as much to do with racism as saying "Blacks can't swim." Then whining that Black people are offended by the... truth.

You are completely clueless about "attitudes" in the Black community and you also seem to be ignorant of when race is or isn't a pertinent factor in a discussion. Makes sense given your location.

You seem like a nice guy and genuinely naive. I will beat this dead horse no longer.