Bernard Hopkins dissing MMA

haha BHop doesn't say **** to Randy does he! HAHA Randy would have grabbed and hug Hop 'til he had a heart attack and died of fright haha

 

It might just bring back bad prison memories.

 

Sums it all up, a lot less mouthy when Randy Couture is right next to him.

 

In the second video he doesn't say anything that bad. His main point is, in essence, similar to something that Joe Rogan has said before; MMA is the sport of fighting whereas boxing is the sport of boxing. You might not agree with that point but that’s basically what he says.

Granted Bernard doesn’t get the nuances of grappling. However he doesn’t (in the second video, anyway) say anything too outrageous.

 

He seems fairly unaware of MMA but I spose a lot of old school fighters don't want to get new things.

He is half right about it just being fighting as opposed to a versatile, critical, analytical and statistic sport like boxing. Only a small percentage of the combitants from what I see do MMA with any dignity.

But boxing history was the same, plenty of scrubbers make the good guys look better.

Also one other important thing is Bernard views and fights boxing statistically and makes the mistake of not realizing fighters like Calzaghe or Hatton view boxing as a fight and not so much a technical contest.

It goes Both ways only boxing is far more developed than the comparatively new sport of Mixed Martial Arts.

 

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MMA is not fluid. i am a boxer, wrestled in high school and just started learning judo. as a practioner in all three, i keep these disciplines seperate. there is no transition into the other, they don't belong together. i understand what bhop is saying, he obviously doesn't understand grappling, but at the sametime he is criticizing the fact that there is no art to fighting, its too raw; too many ways to win

 

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The notion of cross-training in Jeet Kune Do is similar to the practice of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_Martial_Arts"]Mixed Martial Arts[/ame] (MMA) in modern times — Bruce Lee has been considered by [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC"]UFC[/ame] president [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_White"]Dana White[/ame] as the "father of mixed martial arts".[3][ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncretism"]syncretic[/ame] nature. This is particularly the case with respect to the JKD " Many consider Jeet Kune Do to be the precursor of MMA because of its Combat Ranges". A JKD student is expected to learn various combat systems within each combat range, and thus to be effective in all of them, just as in MMA.

 

yes, you can be effective, but mma can never become a science like boxing. there are just too many ways to win; too many weapons. there is no seamless transition into another, its more like smashing into the next technique. look each system is beautiful in its own right, but not all at once.

 

Go watch GSP or BJ Penn and tell me there is no seamless transitions from one art to another. You are talking out of your ass.

 

Thank you!

 

you claim that the success of GSP and BJ Penn is based on their mastering the various martial arts into one cohesive and perfect fight stragedy? bull****. gsp and bj are just great athletes in their own right. they whoop on people because of the physical gifts they were given at birth.

what i am trying to say is that mma is not an artform. i am aware of it soaring popularity and it will most likely surpass boxing and other combat sports. its just entertainment. there really is no correct way of doing things in mma because you are allowed to do everything.

 

Same with every boxer who has ever lived. None of them ever learned any skills or had any training at all. They just beat the **** out of each other with natural gifts from birth, or from what they learned in prison.

 

You are a moron. I am not going to bother trying to educate your ignorant ass.

 

I can understand what you are trying to say about there not being a lot of smooth transitions, but there has really been some evolution in that direction.

You can look at the style of "dirty boxing" that started with RAW/Team Quest guys like Lindland, Trigg, and most notably Couture and Henderson; they use the tie ups and hand control of wrestling, especially greco, to control the head and arms while allowing them to land punches undefended.

Fedor and Henderson have perfected the overhand right into upperbody clinch; if they land it great, but usually the main goal is to get an overhook with the punching hand and then quickly turn that into a takedown.

Then there is the fusion of dominate wrestlers becoming world class grapplers and world class grapplers training with wrestling legends like Gholar to be able to get the fight where they need it.

Roger Gracie and Jacare have become excellent Judoka to improve their BJJ.

Just because there is no one way of fighting MMA doesn't mean it is any less technical; there is no one way of boxing either. Joe Frazier looked nothing like Ali who looked nothing like Foreman. If anything the more routes to the same end makes it more of a science as there are more options that have to be considered.

So no, there is no one way to fight MMA, but any remotely serious MMA fighter will spend a huge portion of his time training MMA itself, not it's components. Grapplers and strikers will always train grappling or striking alone at times to remain connected with their roots, they will also train the other individually at times to up that part of their game specifically, but they will always train MMA as its own sport, they will train just MMA almost exclusively as they near a fight in training camp.

Gyms like Jackson's and Coutures are places where MMA fighters train MMA with other MMA fighters to get ready for MMA fights. All the fighters usually train individual components either at other places or with a certain set of coaches in the base gyms; like Donald Cerrone, Bang Ludwig, Nate Marquardt, Shane Carwin and the rest of the Colorado fighters at Jackson's spend their time in Colorado at Easton's BJJ, Bang's more Muay Thai oriented gym, whatever it is, but then come training camp they all meet up in New Mexico and train MMA.