Bernard hopkins hasn't had a signifcant win since 2005

please can i see your score cards?

hop-taylor 1:

taylor dominated the first 4 off his jab, hopkins didn't seem able to time it nor evade it particularly well.

from round 5 onwards the term "effective aggression" does not apply to taylor, he wastes a lot of punches. round 5 was a swing round imo, but i felt hopkins landed the cleaner effective punches.

round 6 was another swing round, but this time i felt taylor landed the better shots. hopkins defence wasn't as prevalent in this round.

round 7-12 i felt hopkins was the ring general, his punches were much more effective and his defence was far superior. infact taylor looked quite poor defensively overall and was it not for his quick hands the guy wouldn't have got very far imo. there is now way that taylors aggression at this point can be called effective, yes it made hopkins turn away and regroup but it seemed to have no real impact on hopkins plan, strategy nor output.

I scored it 115-113 hopkins. round 5 could go either way but so could 6 imo. a draw would be fair, but on my card hopkins took it.

1:t
2:t
3:t
4:t
5:h
6:t
7:h
8:h
9:h
10:h
11:h
12:h

hop - taylor 2

had it 115-113 to taylor.

the first 5 rounds were very cagey and could honestly be all classed as swing rounds, taylor threw less and sat down on his punches more, i think he actually performed better in this fight.

by round 7 i had a sense that taylor was running away with it. he'd adjusted from the first fight whereas hopkins stayed with the same strategy. however with taylor's punches now seeming more effective i think he fouight a lot better.

round 8 is the crucial one for me, swing round. i gave taylor the edge, ahd i scored it hopkins it owuld be a draw. but i gave it taylor.

rounds 9-12 hopkins fought a great fight imo. he pressed the action and bullied taylor around the ring, however this time taylor wasn't gassed and could still fire back, in round 11 hopkins showed a glaring weakness to taylor's left hook and kept getting caught by it. this was the round that won it for taylor imo.

a passing of the torch moment imo, it could be argued a draw but i think taylor deserves it just.

so over the two fights i have them 1-1

hop - calzaghe

Hopkins-Calzaghe

1: 10-8 clear hopkins round with the knockdown to boot.
2: 10-9 hopkins wins the round based on clean effective punches and effective aggression.
3: 10-9 hopkins again landing the cleaner shots and having the more effective aggression.
4: 9-10 good display of ring genralship by calzaghe as he pretty much bossed the round.
5: 9-10 very good jabbing by joe off the front foot to take the early part of the round, coming off lsightly better in the latter exchanges.
6: 10-9 aside from a good left landed by joe at the start of the round he was quite soundly outboxed by hopkins on the back foot.
7: 10-9 joe misses far too many punches and the only meaningful punch is landed by hop at the end of the round as he stuns joe.
8: 9-10 hopkins nullifies most of joe's attack on the backfoot but fails top land anything significant himself aside from a flashy combo at the bell
9: 10-9 brilliant defensive display by hopkins landing some very good clean counters in the process.
10: 9-10 hopkins takes a breather after going down from a dubious low blow and the finesse of his earlier counters seems to abandon him.
11: 10-9 again the finesse of hopkins earlier work isn't there but this time he seems to edge the inside exchanges frustrating calzaghe.
12: 9-10 quite a scrappy round with joe winning it on ring generalship as his aggression cancelled out b-hops defence.

115-112

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there's my analysis of the 3 fights, please can I see yours?

 

it's reason's like this that williams got gifts against martinez and lara. this isn't a fitness contest.

 

Kelly Pavlik was significant as was Pascal.

 

Hop has picked up a handful of meaningful wins since 05. And he's about a decade removed from his best days too.

 

It ain't a fitness contest, it's a "Who hit who more" contest, you don't win more than one round at a time, unfortunately for you and unfortuantely for Hopkins.

Basically

Unquestionable Rounds

Rounds 1, 3 and 4 for Hopkins
Rounds 5, 10, 11 and 12 for Calzaghe

That means you have to find Hopkins winning 3 of the remaining 5 rounds for him to win the fight and unfortunately for him, his lacking work-rate, the fact that while he landed better counters, he unfortunately took more punches to do it and the fact that Calzaghe pushed the action in the fight means any judge in their right mind will give that fight to Calzaghe.

The score range is either 114-113 Calzaghe, 115-112, Calzaghe or 116-111, Calzaghe.

Any other score is giving too much credit to Hopkins for his knock down and the good round he had Round 4.

 

I dislike hops, but he's had like 6 very good wins since eastman.

 

same here. that's pretty good for an old guy isn't it?

 

judging from your scoring, you score based of whose winning a 3 minute fight. this is how fights should be scored. each round is a 3 minute fight. the guy who does the most damage wins the fight. hopkins won the most 3 minute fights in each of the fights you listed except in the reamtch with taylor. taylor landed the better shots. calzaghe land 5 real punches the whole fight. not hard punches. real punches. that's pretty weak to me.

 

With would it be unfortunate for me?

My analysis is in my big post above. I found your claim, that 10-11 being unquestionable joe rounds, ridiculous.

 

YES, you speak and it makes sense.

 

Yes boxing has to be scored round by round. People throwing a total punch stat figure with no context have no clue imo.

Shots have to be clean and effective. Aggression has to be effective. You have to look like you're controlling the action. You have to make your opponent miss. Taylor 1 and calzaghe can certainly be scored in favour of hopkins.

 

Sorry, but boxing isn't about "three minute fights" - boxing is about "What did you do or land in those three minutes" - damage only comes into it when someone is completely knocked senseless or stunned in such a way that the other fighter can take advantage of it.

Except the knock down in the first round, Hopkins never hurt Calzaghe. He constantly got beaten to the punch and had 8 rounds in the fight where he threw less than 20 punches in the round.

That's why he lost, that's why 80% of the media say he lost and it's why he constantly gets seen as lost in any poll on any boxing website in the world.

History revisionists are ****ing stupid.

 

B-Hop a G son, your an idiot

 

I couldn't have possibly said it better...

 

This proves how much this noob knows about boxing.

Is B-HOP fighting Dawson now because he knows he can beat him?